HUUUUGE Favor
Jun 21, 2017 09:46:50 #
Hey all,
I keep seeing excellent posts from Ed, several people view it, but nobody ever lets him know if they appreciate it, disagree with it, or don't understand it.
I think his last post was viewed 76 times, but nobody wants to even take a second to say "thanks" or "wait, I disagree" or....
I know it takes a lot of time to put together well thought out posts. I just think that in the tradition of ours being the friendliest section, maybe we could take a second to let him (or anyone else that posts) that we read it, or appreciate it, or even disagree.
OK, off my soapbox.
Back to work..........ugh........work.
I keep seeing excellent posts from Ed, several people view it, but nobody ever lets him know if they appreciate it, disagree with it, or don't understand it.
I think his last post was viewed 76 times, but nobody wants to even take a second to say "thanks" or "wait, I disagree" or....
I know it takes a lot of time to put together well thought out posts. I just think that in the tradition of ours being the friendliest section, maybe we could take a second to let him (or anyone else that posts) that we read it, or appreciate it, or even disagree.
OK, off my soapbox.
Back to work..........ugh........work.
Jun 21, 2017 14:05:51 #
Good morning!
I appreciate the thought.
Sometimes when I write my posts, tutorials, tirades or whatever you want to call them, I sometimes feel like a DISK JOCKEY on a little known college radio station, working the night shift at 3:00 AM. and wondering if anyone, out there is actually listening in. What's worse, I may be playing “music” that nobody wants to hear!
It's hard for me to tell if my efforts are helping anyone or if any interest genuinely exists, when there is little or no feedback. I occasionally look at the number of views but the numbers alone do not “say” very much in that there is no intrinsic reaction. Even if some of y'all simply told me what you would like me to write about- that would be very helpful.
I attempt to write for a broad audience, that is, experienced pros, rookie pros, advanced amateurs who are contemplating a full or part time professional career, perhaps in wedding photography. Even if some folks are not interested in wedding photography, per se, there are many techniques and ideas that can be applied to other fields as well. The few members, here, that do converse with me are mostly old pros so I end up “preaching to the choir”. We exchange ideas, mostly agree or agree to disagree and that is fine. When I talk to the new guys and gals, I do so with the hope that they will start off on the right track and hopefully, I will be able to advise them not to “run before the know how to walk” into the industry. I was fortunate enough to have a formal education in photography but I leaned more practical approaches from my early bosses and mentors than I ever would have learned in a classroom or from a book. That kind of mentoring and apprenticeship is badly lacking in today's “environment” in the photography business so whatever I can do to give back some of what was so generously given to me in the past, is very satisfying and rewarding to me. I, however, do not want to bore folks, insist on my own style or create a combative atmosphere- I would just love to stimulate others to participate and hope the good ideas and conversations will flow.
I was born and raised in Brooklyn and I am a product of the (1950s overcrowded) New York City Public School System so I should be the last guy to offer writing tips but please bare with me. There is an old saying: “Be sure brain is engaged before putting mouth into gear”! Forgetaboutit! Just write what is on your mind. This is not a spelling bee, a grammar test or an essay contest. It's your thoughts and ideas that count! I am sure that all my posts contain many dangling participles, typos, spelling errors and are a downright affront to the English language but as long as y'all can make it out, that's OK by me! This is not TWITTER so don't worry about long posts- just let it all hang out. Folks that are engaged and interested will read and those who are not particularly interested won't. Those who do a word count and take you to task are just being obnoxious!
I am not looking for a fan club, a following, or the equivalent of copious quantities of Facebook “likes”- that's for the teenagers and I am old! I do not want or expect anyone or everyone to agree with me- that would be boring and useless- a real FORUM should have agreements, differences and compromises- wedding photography is not a RELIGION or a cult. PLEASE- just don't tell me to “go to HELL”- been there done that! I did a little “unwanted vacation” at the largess of the army, in Southeast Asia and spent a good part of my life at weddings! That's a JOKE about reality and I have a sick sense of humor!
When I scan the other parts of the HOG, it seems that the most popular threads, at least the ones with the big numbers, have to do with gear, Canon vs. Nikon-etc., complaints, copyright issues, restriction of photography in public spaces, and request for quick remedies and tips- all good! The biggest numbers, however go to threads where “flame-wars” ensue- BAD! All of this is par for the course and comes with the territory but here in wedding land, we have so much more to discuss: Equipment, techniques, lighting, posing, photojournalism, tonal range (black suits and white gowns), religious, social and cultural issues and traditions, public relations, finite flash techniques, environmental portraiture, bridal and formalwear fashions, makeup and hair, wedding planners, lenses and optics, business methods, advertising, promotions, insurance, taxation, pricing for profit, contracts, copyright issues and so much more.
I, again, must say that I was very fortunate to have started my career in New York City and have always worked in large multicultural urban environments. I got to experience all kinds of weddings in a vast variety of cultural, religious and socioeconomic groups. As the rookie, I did all the jobs that nobody else in the studio wanted to do- the poor folks- the immigrants- in the not so fancy places. Those were the most rewarding and enriching experiences of my life. Being the youngest of the crew, even when I got better at my work, I still got the jobs that nobody else wanted to do- the wild and crazy ethnic weddings with 600 guests and utter chaos . It was like weight training- no pain- no gain. So.. I have seen allot but I ain't seen it all...yet?! That's why, I like to hear from others from other parts of the world. The wedding business varies greatly with geographic location so lots of what I talk about may sound like I come from the moon- to others. Yet, there are some aspects of wedding celebrations that are traditional and universal and do transcend many cultures and communities. Some time ago, when I was on "the lecture circuit" and giving seminars and workshops, at the end of a 5 day "kinda boot camp", folks would give me money, hugs and handshakes but many would say "I love what you do but it won't work in my town...etc.! Could be? Some of my "students" would write me and report that a few of my ideas went over well and a few told me that they have adopted all of my ideas and are doing well. "Different strokes for different folks" is an old hackneyed adage but it certainly holds true in the wedding business,
SO...PARTICIPATE...ask questions, give answers, write a tutorial, ask for or offer a critique, present an argument, do-it-to it! No question should be considered too basic or too complex. Any valid question deserves a valid answer.
Some of the most important traits that a consummate wedding shooter should possess and develop are kindness, compassion, patience and consideration of other PEOPLE. We must apply theses attitudes to our clients and we should treat each other in the same way- it's good practice.
With kindest regards, Ed
I appreciate the thought.
Sometimes when I write my posts, tutorials, tirades or whatever you want to call them, I sometimes feel like a DISK JOCKEY on a little known college radio station, working the night shift at 3:00 AM. and wondering if anyone, out there is actually listening in. What's worse, I may be playing “music” that nobody wants to hear!
It's hard for me to tell if my efforts are helping anyone or if any interest genuinely exists, when there is little or no feedback. I occasionally look at the number of views but the numbers alone do not “say” very much in that there is no intrinsic reaction. Even if some of y'all simply told me what you would like me to write about- that would be very helpful.
I attempt to write for a broad audience, that is, experienced pros, rookie pros, advanced amateurs who are contemplating a full or part time professional career, perhaps in wedding photography. Even if some folks are not interested in wedding photography, per se, there are many techniques and ideas that can be applied to other fields as well. The few members, here, that do converse with me are mostly old pros so I end up “preaching to the choir”. We exchange ideas, mostly agree or agree to disagree and that is fine. When I talk to the new guys and gals, I do so with the hope that they will start off on the right track and hopefully, I will be able to advise them not to “run before the know how to walk” into the industry. I was fortunate enough to have a formal education in photography but I leaned more practical approaches from my early bosses and mentors than I ever would have learned in a classroom or from a book. That kind of mentoring and apprenticeship is badly lacking in today's “environment” in the photography business so whatever I can do to give back some of what was so generously given to me in the past, is very satisfying and rewarding to me. I, however, do not want to bore folks, insist on my own style or create a combative atmosphere- I would just love to stimulate others to participate and hope the good ideas and conversations will flow.
I was born and raised in Brooklyn and I am a product of the (1950s overcrowded) New York City Public School System so I should be the last guy to offer writing tips but please bare with me. There is an old saying: “Be sure brain is engaged before putting mouth into gear”! Forgetaboutit! Just write what is on your mind. This is not a spelling bee, a grammar test or an essay contest. It's your thoughts and ideas that count! I am sure that all my posts contain many dangling participles, typos, spelling errors and are a downright affront to the English language but as long as y'all can make it out, that's OK by me! This is not TWITTER so don't worry about long posts- just let it all hang out. Folks that are engaged and interested will read and those who are not particularly interested won't. Those who do a word count and take you to task are just being obnoxious!
I am not looking for a fan club, a following, or the equivalent of copious quantities of Facebook “likes”- that's for the teenagers and I am old! I do not want or expect anyone or everyone to agree with me- that would be boring and useless- a real FORUM should have agreements, differences and compromises- wedding photography is not a RELIGION or a cult. PLEASE- just don't tell me to “go to HELL”- been there done that! I did a little “unwanted vacation” at the largess of the army, in Southeast Asia and spent a good part of my life at weddings! That's a JOKE about reality and I have a sick sense of humor!
When I scan the other parts of the HOG, it seems that the most popular threads, at least the ones with the big numbers, have to do with gear, Canon vs. Nikon-etc., complaints, copyright issues, restriction of photography in public spaces, and request for quick remedies and tips- all good! The biggest numbers, however go to threads where “flame-wars” ensue- BAD! All of this is par for the course and comes with the territory but here in wedding land, we have so much more to discuss: Equipment, techniques, lighting, posing, photojournalism, tonal range (black suits and white gowns), religious, social and cultural issues and traditions, public relations, finite flash techniques, environmental portraiture, bridal and formalwear fashions, makeup and hair, wedding planners, lenses and optics, business methods, advertising, promotions, insurance, taxation, pricing for profit, contracts, copyright issues and so much more.
I, again, must say that I was very fortunate to have started my career in New York City and have always worked in large multicultural urban environments. I got to experience all kinds of weddings in a vast variety of cultural, religious and socioeconomic groups. As the rookie, I did all the jobs that nobody else in the studio wanted to do- the poor folks- the immigrants- in the not so fancy places. Those were the most rewarding and enriching experiences of my life. Being the youngest of the crew, even when I got better at my work, I still got the jobs that nobody else wanted to do- the wild and crazy ethnic weddings with 600 guests and utter chaos . It was like weight training- no pain- no gain. So.. I have seen allot but I ain't seen it all...yet?! That's why, I like to hear from others from other parts of the world. The wedding business varies greatly with geographic location so lots of what I talk about may sound like I come from the moon- to others. Yet, there are some aspects of wedding celebrations that are traditional and universal and do transcend many cultures and communities. Some time ago, when I was on "the lecture circuit" and giving seminars and workshops, at the end of a 5 day "kinda boot camp", folks would give me money, hugs and handshakes but many would say "I love what you do but it won't work in my town...etc.! Could be? Some of my "students" would write me and report that a few of my ideas went over well and a few told me that they have adopted all of my ideas and are doing well. "Different strokes for different folks" is an old hackneyed adage but it certainly holds true in the wedding business,
SO...PARTICIPATE...ask questions, give answers, write a tutorial, ask for or offer a critique, present an argument, do-it-to it! No question should be considered too basic or too complex. Any valid question deserves a valid answer.
Some of the most important traits that a consummate wedding shooter should possess and develop are kindness, compassion, patience and consideration of other PEOPLE. We must apply theses attitudes to our clients and we should treat each other in the same way- it's good practice.
With kindest regards, Ed
Jun 21, 2017 15:27:36 #
You are a good man, and there are people out there reading your posts. (I just think some are too shy to stick their hand up in class) 
Jun 21, 2017 18:01:38 #
I for one, really enjoy this section. I REALLY appreciate the time and effort Ed puts in his posts. And all the helpful responses. I know that there is a lot of thought that goes into many of these posts, (& a slip can get you bit!).
Without easy access to internet, I usually run to town, copy and past all the sections that catch my eye, (unless they are short-and I can answer quickly), Then return home for a couple days and try to read thru them.
I always have to read Ed's posts, at least 2-3times. I can't answer any of them quickly. I've thought I disagreed with him a couple times, but after getting out my camera and trying some things --- I thought it best to just keep quiet!
I have no Formal training-(but for many online classes including NYIP) And am probably in the class of 'advanced amateurs'. Although, after being in this section for awhile, I better just say "Amateur". You guys have alot more ground and head experience than me.
I think many of us have to chew'a bit on some of the things we read---be it they go against what we have learned, or better yet, go beyond.
Thanks again to all!
Without easy access to internet, I usually run to town, copy and past all the sections that catch my eye, (unless they are short-and I can answer quickly), Then return home for a couple days and try to read thru them.
I always have to read Ed's posts, at least 2-3times. I can't answer any of them quickly. I've thought I disagreed with him a couple times, but after getting out my camera and trying some things --- I thought it best to just keep quiet!
I have no Formal training-(but for many online classes including NYIP) And am probably in the class of 'advanced amateurs'. Although, after being in this section for awhile, I better just say "Amateur". You guys have alot more ground and head experience than me.
I think many of us have to chew'a bit on some of the things we read---be it they go against what we have learned, or better yet, go beyond.
Thanks again to all!
Jun 21, 2017 18:39:37 #
I'm one of those that doesn't want to put my hand up in class :). I'm a rank amateur and have the good fortune to mentor under an accomplished and seasoned wedding photographer that I stalked here on the 'Hog before asking to apprentice. I approached him because I respect his ethics, morals and his work. I only wish that we were more local (3-1/2 hr drive each way...not up hill and not in waist deep snow).
Back to Ed's tutorials; I learn from all of the posts here. As I slowly develop as a photographer, gaining both skill, knowledge and necessary gear I may post more. Some of my questions I'm afraid to say I am too shy or embarrassed to ask. Thankfully someone else eventually asks or Ed or someone else states the answer to my question in a tutorial or conversation.
Thanks for letting me be a part of this crazy, weird bunch. I fit right in. As I told BK the first time we met face to face; I don't march to a different drummer, I hear bagpipes.
Back to Ed's tutorials; I learn from all of the posts here. As I slowly develop as a photographer, gaining both skill, knowledge and necessary gear I may post more. Some of my questions I'm afraid to say I am too shy or embarrassed to ask. Thankfully someone else eventually asks or Ed or someone else states the answer to my question in a tutorial or conversation.
Thanks for letting me be a part of this crazy, weird bunch. I fit right in. As I told BK the first time we met face to face; I don't march to a different drummer, I hear bagpipes.
Jun 22, 2017 07:39:17 #
Guilty, I am! I truely enjoy and I hope benefit from the information posted on UHH in all sections but rarely take the time to respond. Our (we readers) owe so much to the "givers." I for one would be lost without my daily browse through the minds and eyes of so many contributors. Thank you Ed and sooo many others!
Jun 22, 2017 09:07:41 #
Thanks, so nice to hear from people just to let Ed know that he's talking to more than just boring old me.
Never feel bad about asking questions, that's why this section exists. We don't want/allow the snobs and flame throwers. Any question, even if you feel like it may be silly, will help others learn.
As one who has been doing this a dogs age, I still learn all the time. I may not always agree 100% with other's opinions, but I learn from them anyway... and sometimes after it sinks in. I realize that I'm the one who was wrong. Ed and I completely understand each other in that we have different styles, and different opinions, but that doesn't make either one of us wrong. I respect him completely, and I think he respects me.
Tim, you certainly don't give yourself enough credit. I'm so thankful that you did reach out to me. I enjoy when you can come down and help. (Even though you did flood my cottage..... She who must be obeyed and I forgive you. HAHA)
bk
Never feel bad about asking questions, that's why this section exists. We don't want/allow the snobs and flame throwers. Any question, even if you feel like it may be silly, will help others learn.
As one who has been doing this a dogs age, I still learn all the time. I may not always agree 100% with other's opinions, but I learn from them anyway... and sometimes after it sinks in. I realize that I'm the one who was wrong. Ed and I completely understand each other in that we have different styles, and different opinions, but that doesn't make either one of us wrong. I respect him completely, and I think he respects me.
Tim, you certainly don't give yourself enough credit. I'm so thankful that you did reach out to me. I enjoy when you can come down and help. (Even though you did flood my cottage..... She who must be obeyed and I forgive you. HAHA)
bk
Jun 22, 2017 14:04:33 #
I appreciate Ed as well, but I suffer from having enough focus to read the entire thing at one sitting and as someone said, Ed's posts are so thoughtful and deep that it takes 2 or 3 readings to absorb it all. Then after all that I really don't have any disagreements or anything else to add. Ed is the master. Appreciate you though Ed! Also, thanks Bob for making him co-admin.
Jun 22, 2017 19:19:55 #
(Even though you did flood my cottage..... She who must be obeyed and I forgive you. HAHA)
I was afraid that my dubious honor would haunt me. I'm just hopeful that things work out.
I was afraid that my dubious honor would haunt me. I'm just hopeful that things work out.
Jun 23, 2017 08:34:12 #
Tim Stapp wrote:
(Even though you did flood my cottage..... She who must be obeyed and I forgive you. HAHA)
I was afraid that my dubious honor would haunt me. I'm just hopeful that things work out.
I was afraid that my dubious honor would haunt me. I'm just hopeful that things work out.
The water is (was) finally down enough that the building inspector, and flood mitigation people were supposed to come this afternoon. The lake has gone back up overnight because of the rains. We are hoping that it didn't go up "too much" to get some of the demolition done after we get the go ahead..
Jul 19, 2017 22:20:26 #
bkyser wrote:
Hey all, br I keep seeing excellent posts from Ed,... (show quote)
I am one of those who view Ed's post and always learn something and don't reply or quote from it. I am a kind of person that stays in the background and keeping quiet or maybe not to good in writing, but I really do appreciates Ed's work and will always be looking forward for his future post.
Thanks Ed.
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