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Jun 18, 2012 07:13:53   #
SpeedyWilson Loc: Upstate South Carolina
 
Just wondering .... why does the federal government have to spend money to teach men how to be fathers? That's what families are for, to be examples and provide guidance. The young men who don't have instruction are probably not going to spend time at an internet site to gain parental knowledge.

http://www.fatherhood.gov/

The source article:
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/govt-web-site-gives-dads-tips-teaching-kids-hygiene-how-eat

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Jun 18, 2012 07:27:56   #
Erv Loc: Medina Ohio
 
That seem to be the way of the world now. You might get in trouble if you personally help someone. Pretty sad the way it is going in my opinion.
Some things on the internet are great, but we are loosing the personal touch on most things. Family life is starting to be a thing of the past. Seems like everything moves really fast now days. Or I am getting old and can't keep up. :)
Erv

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Jun 19, 2012 10:32:52   #
Sweet Willie Loc: Texas
 
How about teaching character and integrity to congress.
Sweet Willie

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Jun 19, 2012 10:54:28   #
SpeedyWilson Loc: Upstate South Carolina
 
If they didn't learn character and integrity from their parents, teachers, and other influential adults, who's going to teach it to them as elected officials?

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Jun 19, 2012 14:31:35   #
Lancer W/A Canon Loc: atlanta
 
Erv wrote:
That seem to be the way of the world now. You might get in trouble if you personally help someone. Pretty sad the way it is going in my opinion.
Some things on the internet are great, but we are loosing the personal touch on most things. Family life is starting to be a thing of the past. Seems like everything moves really fast now days. Or I am getting old and can't keep up. :)
Erv


It all went the way of the " neighborhood ". Pull in to any development, ask anyone you see,[ if in fact you see someone ] the names of their closest neighbors . Next to, across, and behind. 8 to 5 you get a bewildered look.

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Jun 19, 2012 16:44:53   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
For the same reason we have sex ed in school. everyone is just too busy to teach it or doesn't how to do it.

Look at stats on family violence.

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Jun 19, 2012 17:10:10   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
MisterWilson wrote:
If they didn't learn character and integrity from their parents, teachers, and other influential adults, who's going to teach it to them as elected officials?


The problem is: If we do a good thing it may be a bad thing. If we throw the bums out in Congress we may elect a bunch uneducated under "Every Child Left Behind."

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Jun 20, 2012 02:23:33   #
JAW Loc: LA
 
wlgoode wrote:
MisterWilson wrote:
If they didn't learn character and integrity from their parents, teachers, and other influential adults, who's going to teach it to them as elected officials?


The problem is: If we do a good thing it may be a bad thing. If we throw the bums out in Congress we may elect a bunch uneducated under "Every Child Left Behind."


Rather simplistic but we need to start somewhere. How about requiring term limits - I suggest members of congress only have a max of eight yours service - just like the President. If they stay any longer than that, it seems pointless - so lets vote them out and make term limits a mandate. Let the majority (51%) of the people vote and decide on the length of term.

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Jun 20, 2012 02:43:32   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
JAW wrote:
wlgoode wrote:
MisterWilson wrote:
If they didn't learn character and integrity from their parents, teachers, and other influential adults, who's going to teach it to them as elected officials?


The problem is: If we do a good thing it may be a bad thing. If we throw the bums out in Congress we may elect a bunch uneducated under "Every Child Left Behind."


Rather simplistic but we need to start somewhere. How about requiring term limits - I suggest members of congress only have a max of eight yours service - just like the President. If they stay any longer than that, it seems pointless - so lets vote them out and make term limits a mandate. Let the majority (51%) of the people vote and decide on the length of term.
quote=wlgoode quote=MisterWilson If they didn't ... (show quote)


It would have to be a constitutional amendment because Congress would never vote for it.

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Jun 20, 2012 09:10:47   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Term Limits:

We have term limits. 2 years for Congressmen, 6 years for senators, and two terms of 4 years for the Presidency.

Why is so hard for you people to understand this?

Why are you so fearful of democracy?

Why are you fascists?

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Jun 20, 2012 13:52:19   #
JAW Loc: LA
 
ole sarg wrote:
Term Limits:

We have term limits. 2 years for Congressmen, 6 years for senators, and two terms of 4 years for the Presidency.

Why is so hard for you people to understand this?

Why are you so fearful of democracy?

Why are you fascists?


I don't know why you need to be disrespectful but I will try to elaborate and be respectful of you.

Speaking of term limits - you are correct regarding current limits but I was speaking of not extending those terms in office. Example: If you are elected to a second term - fine, but you leave at the end of your second term - you are not eligible for a third, fourth, fifth, etc term - like the Presidency - max of two terms.
Sorry you did not get my point about all Congressmen having maximum term limits, no ifs, ands or buts. Congressmen need to know they are there for the people's work - then get out of the Congress. I see Congress as the "Good Old Boys Club", where both Dems and Reps reside to oppose, to obstruct and gain power.
The idea is so they aren't in Congress so long that they make a mockery of their position and sell their position to the highest lobbyist which isn't in the peoples interest.
Here I could say: You know, that "GOP" group - known as the do nothing party, the obstruction pary - hanging on to their seats for ever because they love power and with that power they obstruct others and corrupt all power.
I feel the democrats are also guilty of not helping the President in the first two years of our President's term. It's my belief, the President believed he would work with the Republicans and get things moving - thinking they (the Reps} could and would negotiate with him and fellow Dems.
We have always had a Congress that compromises until now. Unfortunately, the GOP has become a group of unconventional, uncompromising members. They don't want to move forward and they don't want to compromise. They want to obstruct any & all forward moving legislation.
So here we are, a Congress that waists the peoples time and their money and continues to pull in their salary and pensions working the good old boys club. Term limits will go a long way in helping rid the Congress of dead "drift" wood wether Dem or Rep.

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Jun 20, 2012 14:18:33   #
Ron Of TN Loc: Middle Tenn
 
ole sarg wrote:
Term Limits:


Why are you so fearful of democracy?



"[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few."
--John Adams (A Defense of the American Constitutions, 1787)
Reference: The Works of John Adams, C.F. Adams, ed., vol. 6 (8-9); The Founders Constitution

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." --Thomas Jefferson

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Jun 20, 2012 14:23:04   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Old Village Codger:

What you say is in many ways true and I have to agree. But, at the same time there are long time congressmen and senators that do and are trying to do a good job. Do we force them out too?

Ultimately, I think it is the will of the people that should govern on who govern's us.

Corruption in congress is as old as congress itself and we seem to have come a fair way since the founding.

Things will balance out again. They seem to do that. From the Gilded Age to the Progressive Period to a return to a rather vast wilderness period that we are now in will change.

We are moving from an industrial society to another kind of society. I do not like the word service society because we are still by far the worlds largest manufacturing society. I will call it a Intellectual Capital Society in which factory workers as well Computer Scientists have to have a strong technical background based in either the Liberal Arts or Sciences/Math/Engineering in order to have gainful employment. Just as the farm hands of the 1920s need to understand how to work in a factory so today we need people skilled in those parts of the society that create wealth. I find it interesting that on the TV reality shows the pawn brokers need to be computer literate to sell their goods!

I think much of the right wing is scared of the changes cascading upon them. A Black President, women governors, women rights, reproductive rights, banks out of control, black neighbors, hispanic neighbors, asian neighbors, terms like too big to fail, expected norms no longer existing all scary challenges to the life of someone who was brought up in the 50's and early 60's when life and society in many ways had an expected rhythm to it.

So, I would rather wait this one out and not change the electoral system.

We are living in the middle of the ancient Chinese curse:

May you live in exciting times!

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Jun 20, 2012 14:46:33   #
les_stockton Loc: Eastern Oklahoma
 
It's a big waste of money.

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Jun 20, 2012 18:14:37   #
JAW Loc: LA
 
ole sarg wrote:


What you say is in many ways true and I have to agree. But, at the same time there are long time congressmen and senators that do and are trying to do a good job. Do we force them out too?

Yes, if it good enough for a President, why not a Congressmen.

ole sarg wrote:
Ultimately, I think it is the will of the people that should govern on who govern's us.

I agree and - if you will notice - I stated: Let the majority (51%) of the people vote and decide on the length of term.

ole sarg wrote:
Corruption in congress is as old as congress itself and we seem to have come a fair way since the founding.

So, are you saying, we sit back and let them continue with their do nothing ideology?

ole sarg wrote:
Things will balance out again. They seem to do that. From the Gilded Age to the Progressive Period to a return to a rather vast wilderness period that we are now in will change.

How long do we wait? In the mean time we get nothing done for the people.

We are moving from an industrial society to another kind of society. I do not like the word service society because we are still by far the worlds largest manufacturing society. I will call it a Intellectual Capital Society in which factory workers as well Computer Scientists have to have a strong technical background based in either the Liberal Arts or Sciences/Math/Engineering in order to have gainful employment. Just as the farm hands of the 1920s need to understand how to work in a factory so today we need people skilled in those parts of the society that create wealth. I find it interesting that on the TV reality shows the pawn brokers need to be computer literate to sell their goods!

ole sarg wrote:
I think much of the right wing is scared of the changes cascading upon them. A Black President, women governors, women rights, reproductive rights, banks out of control, black neighbors, hispanic neighbors, asian neighbors, terms like too big to fail, expected norms no longer existing all scary challenges to the life of someone who was brought up in the 50's and early 60's when life and society in many ways had an expected rhythm to it.

That may be true but why can't we accept positive change for a better tomorrow - today. That change being a specific number of terms for all Congressmen.

ole sarg wrote:
So, I would rather wait this one out and not change the electoral system.

Your resistance to change is the reason you can't consider my proposal and make tomorrow better today.

ole sarg wrote:
We are living in the middle of the ancient Chinese curse:
May you live in exciting times!

I don't believe in a curses. But I do believe it is past time to get our Congress working for the people it was elected and expected to represent.

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