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Why do sensors in compact cameras have to be so small?
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Jun 10, 2017 22:39:03   #
Hip Coyote
 
The limiting factor may we'll be optics, but it is feasible that future sensors can shove more pixels into a smaller space. Think how memory storage has increased in capacity whist shrinking in size. I think we've only seen the beginning.

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Jun 11, 2017 07:51:07   #
ggab Loc: ?
 
therwol wrote:
Before we had compact digital cameras, we had compact film cameras. I had some Olympus Stylus model in the early 2000s that took great pictures. I think it cost more than $300 new when I bought it. I don't remember the model and don't have it any longer because my son let someone "borrow it" permanently. Anyway, the film opening was 24x36. If you took a camera like this one, took out the film motor drive for space, utilized the space where the 35mm cassette goes, filling the empty space in the camera with electronics, AND put a full frame sensor in the thing, I think you'd have a heck of a good, small camera.

https://www.amazon.com/Olympus-Stylus-Epic-Zoom-Camera/dp/B00005ATZP/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1497025142&sr=8-4&keywords=olympus+stylus+35mm

Okay, I know it's probably because the expectations of people who buy compact cameras and use cell phones for pictures are not super high, but I believe that some of us would like to see something like what I've described above.
Before we had compact digital cameras, we had comp... (show quote)


I am of the belief that the high end full frame DSLR's and lenses are where the profit is. If you produce such a camera it would attack the high end and kill a large part of that market.
Just my $0.02 worth

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Jun 11, 2017 08:13:39   #
ralphfr Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Reinaldokool wrote:
People who buy P&S have come to expect extreme zooms. The laws of physics dictate that such extremes require smaller sensors. I've forgotten the exact technical explanation, but I've seen it on several reliable websites including dpreview. That's why even the best ultrazooms have small sensors. Canon could put any sensor they want in an SX-60 or Nikon in a P900, etc. But then they couldn't get the zoom range.


I think this is the most sensible answer. Cost/MM.

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Jun 11, 2017 08:30:53   #
ralphfr Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Or buy a Leica P&S for $x,000.00 and crop the heck out of everything.

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Jan 28, 2018 10:26:13   #
Had2 Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Yours is an excellent point to which I have yet to see an informed answer. Considering everything manufacturers pack into some cameras, I'm not sure I consider "cost" an adequate response in and of itself without more data.

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Jan 28, 2018 15:15:13   #
Bill P
 
I must disagree. In consumer products, from small items to cars and houses, cost is one of the most important factors. Not to the consumer directly, but certainly to the manufacturer, Wonder why the plastic interior parts in certain expensive cars are prone to breakage? consider, if you cna take out 2 cents from the cost of that pare, multiply that amount by the number of cars produced, and several hundred thousand time 2 can really pile up.
So a camera company wants to sell more cameras, they must be able to sell lots. The average American consumer (don't know about anywhere else) first criteria in purchasing one is the lowest price. So we have the ugly arrival of the so called value engineer.

All consumer products are designed to meet a specific price point. That's where we get smaller sensors.

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Jan 29, 2018 00:32:20   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Had2 wrote:
Good question. Not so long ago, I posted a message along the same lines http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-435052-1.html

and I got a bunch of wise-ass comments in response. It seems that many who come to UHH don't like or don't want a powerful, small superzoom camera, or are so pessimistic that camera manufacturers will ever produce one because it would be so unprofitable. I think it would be a market killer to have the near equivalent of a DLSR that you could slip into your pocket, say the size of a Canon PowerShot SX730 HS. Now watch for all the nasty naysayers!
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The OP wasn't talking about super-zoom camera. I also had an Olympus Stylus camera -mine was 1X ... in other words, it didn't zoom at all. It had a basic simple optical viewfinder. To make even a basic FF digital camera, you'd need a FF sensor, processor, memory interface, and LCD. I'm not sure how much cost we have so far, but I doubt if anyone would see benefit to this camera instead of a camera with a smaller sensor - in other words, we would have a real marketing problem.

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