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May 27, 2017 09:24:34   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
lauryne stern wrote:
I have been determined to use Manuel..practice and practice but I have found out in some environments where I need to take pictures quickly and one minute it's cloudy then sunny there is no adjustment time. I have a Canon Rebel SL and using a 24 mm lense..help .. need suggestions. And when it's sunny or bright it's hard to check, screen is difficult to view when it's bright out. Need some encouragement.


Use auto iso.

Use the viewfinder. Or get a mirrorless camera with EVF. Then wysiwyg.

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May 27, 2017 09:39:46   #
jwn Loc: SOUTHEAST GEORGIA USA
 
learn from the camera, take some shots with Auto and some with your settings, if the auto shots are better see what setting the camera used and learn. These cameras are smart.

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May 27, 2017 09:54:06   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
SS319 wrote:
When I hear someone say they want to shoot in Manual, I hear them saying they WANT to slow down, they want to LEARN photography, the want to UNDERSTAND how the image is formed. When you shoot in manual without a light meter, you have to critically look at light, and this critical look will make you a better photographer in the art of photography as opposed to the technology of photography. Photography is not about documenting a particular scene, it is capturing the soul and spirit of the light that produced that scene.

We may never get there, but to comprehend how someone like Ansel Adams could spend a day, two days, a week looking at a view and then only take a single exposure to perfectly capture - not the view - the light.

That is the reason to shoot in Manual.
When I hear someone say they want to shoot in Manu... (show quote)


Meaning no offense I can appreciate what you are saying, "Photography is not about documenting a particular scene, it is capturing the soul and spirit of the light that produced that scene." But in a nutshell you are simply romanticizing. Taking a photograph is a mechanical function of the camera and no matter what the motive is of the photographer, looking at the scene and analyzing the light to get the picture in its best view OR simply putting the camera on Auto and clicking the shutter, the end result is still the same. Ansel Adams certainly looked at the scene, most likely used a light meter for the varying degrees of light shining on his scene and clicked the shutter. Let's say it was f8 at 125. His, "Art", is in his darkroom performance of burning and dodging the print. I could look at the same scene with my trusty Nikon D5300 or F2 Photomic or Canon Rebel and shoot the same exact scene using f8 at 125 and get the same basic photograph.

Dennis

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May 27, 2017 10:48:19   #
canon Lee
 
SS319 wrote:
When I hear someone say they want to shoot in Manual, I hear them saying they WANT to slow down, they want to LEARN photography, the want to UNDERSTAND how the image is formed. When you shoot in manual without a light meter, you have to critically look at light, and this critical look will make you a better photographer in the art of photography as opposed to the technology of photography. Photography is not about documenting a particular scene, it is capturing the soul and spirit of the light that produced that scene.

We may never get there, but to comprehend how someone like Ansel Adams could spend a day, two days, a week looking at a view and then only take a single exposure to perfectly capture - not the view - the light.

That is the reason to shoot in Manual.
When I hear someone say they want to shoot in Manu... (show quote)



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May 27, 2017 10:56:35   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
lauryne stern wrote:
I have been determined to use Manuel..practice and practice but I have found out in some environments where I need to take pictures quickly and one minute it's cloudy then sunny there is no adjustment time. I have a Canon Rebel SL and using a 24 mm lense..help .. need suggestions. And when it's sunny or bright it's hard to check, screen is difficult to view when it's bright out. Need some encouragement.


Use Av (aperture priority) or CA (creative auto) modes. That's it; otherwise wait till the light is right.

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May 27, 2017 11:02:06   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
SS319 wrote:
When I hear someone say they want to shoot in Manual, I hear them saying they WANT to slow down, they want to LEARN photography, the want to UNDERSTAND how the image is formed. When you shoot in manual without a light meter, you have to critically look at light, and this critical look will make you a better photographer in the art of photography as opposed to the technology of photography. Photography is not about documenting a particular scene, it is capturing the soul and spirit of the light that produced that scene.

We may never get there, but to comprehend how someone like Ansel Adams could spend a day, two days, a week looking at a view and then only take a single exposure to perfectly capture - not the view - the light.

That is the reason to shoot in Manual.
When I hear someone say they want to shoot in Manu... (show quote)


…”I do not mean that the subject is of no importance; rather, what is done with the subject as an expression of emotional and aesthetic ideas is of vastly greater importance than the mere recording of a scene or of an object.” Looking at Ansel Adams by Andrea G. Stillman (one of his assistants). "P" records, manual (or aperture or shutter priority) offers that capturing of "the soul and spirit...."

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May 27, 2017 11:04:26   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
camerapapi wrote:
If you have the time to make settings manually to your camera then going manual is a good way to keep control. In changing light I would prefer Aperture Priority but do not lock the exposure when it is cloudy and shoot when it is sunny because the picture will not be correctly exposed. The exposure will also fail the other way around.
Monitors are not easy to see in bright light although that is beginning to change. Just cover the monitor with your body to shade it for a better view.

That's what's good about an electronic viewfinder!

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May 27, 2017 11:15:55   #
windshoppe Loc: Arizona
 
advocate1982 wrote:
There is this whole urban myth that was created about manual. Trust me, that is all it is. An urban myth. Shooting in manual does not make you a better photographer. It does not allow you any more control than any of the other auto modes - including program. And, as you have found out, there are many times when using manual is actually the worst choice.

Here is a simple test. Take a piece of black poster board, and a piece of white poster board. Put them both in a spot where there are receiving even lighting. Now, move in close enough to the white board that it fills the viewfinder without throwing a shadow on the board. Set your camera in manual - center the meter for a "correct" exposure, and take a photo. Write down the settings you used. (You can get the data later off the file, but it's easier to just write it down).

Repeat with the black card.

Next, change the metering mode to Aperture, and repeat the above steps.

Next, change the metering to Shutter Priority, and repeat the above steps.

Do the same with any other exposure modes on your camera.

It's now time to import all of those photos into your editing software. You notice something about those images. You should. They are all going to be approximately the same shade of grey. There will be no white images, there will be no black images, they will all be about 18% grey.

Repeat all of the above, but this time, with the white card, open up from the recommended reading by two stops, with the black card, close down two stops. With the auto modes you use the +- exposure compensation button.

Import and compare - now the white card looks white, the black card looks black. And again it doesn't matter which mode you used, they will all look the same for each of the metering modes.

So why then this thing that you need to shoot in manual. Like I said, it's an urban myth. It didn't exist before the advent of the digital camera. In fact if you go back to books written in the 80's you will find lots of references to the advantages of the auto exposure modes (one of the advantages of being older than dirt - institutional memory of what was before). With the digital camera came a whole plethora of newly minted photographers trying to enter the world of professional photography. But being a real professional photographer is hard work. It's not anywhere near as easy as looks, because the camera really is only a tool, just like a hammer or a saw are the tool of a carpenter, or a paint brush and palette are the tool of a painter.

You know that old saying, those that can do, those that can not, teach. Well they found out that it was far easier and more lucrative to teach the newest batch of photographers. But what to teach. Well, you cannot be a "real" photographer, unless you use manual mode. So that's what they came up with. Building this whole myth that to be a real photographer you need to shoot in manual.

Well it is just as much bull, as back in the day, you were not a real photographer unless you used a view camera - that was cry when the roll film cameras came out. Followed by the cry you were not a real photographer unless you used medium format - that was the cry when the 35mm camera came out.

Every generation has the elitists that claim that you have to do X to belong to their select group. They are trying to make themselves feel important by excluding those that don't meet the criteria of their club.

Lets not forget the acolytes of the sunny 16 rule. They claim that you don't need to know anything more than a series of rules. Like if the sun is out and throwing distinct shadows that you shoot in manual and set your fstop to 16 and your shutter speed to 1/ISO. There are different settings for sand, snow, cloudy, etc. and they all used to be printed on the little instruction sheet that came with your roll of film. But the settings are not infallible they were simply designed to give you an exposure that would, when combined with the exposure latitude of the film, a negative that could be printed. That negative could be out by two stops either over or under, and you would still be able to pull an image in the darkroom. Today, it relies on the "We will fix it after in Photoshop"

The control you seek, does not come from any exposure mode in the camera. It comes from thinking about what you want the final image to say. Like do you want to illustrate speed, by the blur created by panning the camera with a slower shutter speed. Or do you want to do it by freezing the action with a high shutter speed.

This is a decision that you as the photographer make before you press the shutter, before you take a meter reading, before you put the camera to your eye. Once you make that decision you can capture that vision with whatever exposure mode you want to use.

My preference is for aperture preferred, because if I want to freeze action, I just open up the lens as far as it will go. That will give me the fastest shutter speed that lens and ISO combination can give me. It may not be fast enough, but I still end up with a properly exposed file. When you use shutter preferred - you are likely to come away with a lot of underexposed images because the lens isn't fast enough to support the shutter speed.

The big advantage to the auto modes is that they take care of the technical side (right brain side) of the image, leaving you to concentrate on the creative (left brain side) of the image. Todays cameras are far better and faster at dealing with the technical side, but they still haven't made a camera that can deal with the creative side. So let the camera do what it can do better than you, and you concentrate on what you can do better than the camera. And the hell with the elitists that say you have to do it this way or that way.
There is this whole urban myth that was created ab... (show quote)


IMHO the best response to the OP's post that appears here.

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May 27, 2017 11:26:55   #
wteffey Loc: Ocala, FL USA
 
Back in film days each roll came with a thin white paper with helpful hints, including a list of recommended settings for things like full sun, cloudy bright, overcast etc. If you can find an unopened roll you might be able to cut out the settings portion of the paper and carry it with you. Still, I'm glad to leave that silliness behind and use modern technology so I can concentrate on composition, focus and timing, something they have not figured out how to automate yet. They are getting close, however.

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May 27, 2017 11:35:57   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
lauryne stern wrote:
I have been determined to use Manuel..practice and practice but I have found out in some environments where I need to take pictures quickly and one minute it's cloudy then sunny there is no adjustment time. I have a Canon Rebel SL and using a 24 mm lense..help .. need suggestions. And when it's sunny or bright it's hard to check, screen is difficult to view when it's bright out. Need some encouragement.


Hoodman is a product that shades those dim LCDs.

No mode is magic. Each is advantageous in a different set of circumstances.

Manual mode works best when you have controlled, consistent lighting.

Camera meters "see" or read everything as a middle shade of gray.

Automatic White Balance does that, too, so it's not very useful for scenes that have a large amount of the same deeply saturated color.

Exposure targets can help achieve both accurate exposure and white balance (color). They are a lot cheaper, and can be more accurate with YOUR camera, than external light meters or color temperature meters.

Examples of targets include Delta-1 gray cards, One Shot Digital Calibration Targets, ColorChecker PassPorts, ExpoDisc...

Your camera owner's manual can be a GREAT source of guidance on the advantages and disadvantages of every mode. Download the PDF from Canon's web site to your computer, tablet, and/or smartphone.

You should be much more careful to get exposure and white balance correct at the camera when recording JPEGs than when recording raw files.

Invest in good photographic knowledge. Go make images. Repeat...

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May 27, 2017 13:14:48   #
rcdovala
 
I guess that I just don't understand the romance of shooting in manual mode. I come from the era of film cameras and the zone system using a 4X5 view camera. I was forced to shoot in manual mode. We had nothing else. Today, we pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars for remarkably sophisticated cameras that can do everything except cook breakfast. And yet we choose to throw all of that technology away and dive right back into the world of manual mode. Why, I ask? The modern camera is a computer with some very nice glass attached to it. It can make millions of computations in a second. It can detect changing light conditions in an instant. It can focus under light so dim that our eyes can't even see the outlines of the subject yet alone focus on it. Most can auto bracket. Most can do in-camera HDR. I'm not suggesting that we should put our cameras in Auto Mode and take what we get. Not at all. But what I am suggesting is to think about what is important for a particular image and select the shooting mode accordingly. If depth of field is important, select Av and let the camera figure out the correct exposure. If stopping action is important, then select Tv and let the camera determine the aperture to get a proper exposure. It's time to embrace the technology that has been so graciously handed to us. And yes, even Auto or Program mode has its place in photography. Admittedly, these sophisticated machines can be fooled and we need to be ever mindful of the limitations of the conditions that can produce unexpected results. But having said that, it is my opinion that we could spend our time better by learning to use Av and Tv properly. However, for those that insist on using manual mode, remember to disable Auto ISO and lock in your ISO to a fixed value. If you continue to leave your ISO on Auto, your exposure will vary as the light changes even if you have your aperture and shutter speed fixed. Remember the exposure triangle. This should stir up a heated debate.

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May 27, 2017 13:35:02   #
advocate1982
 
rcdovala wrote:
I guess that I just don't understand the romance of shooting in manual mode. I come from the era of film cameras and the zone system using a 4X5 view camera. I was forced to shoot in manual mode. We had nothing else. Today, we pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars for remarkably sophisticated cameras that can do everything except cook breakfast. And yet we choose to throw all of that technology away and dive right back into the world of manual mode. Why, I ask? The modern camera is a computer with some very nice glass attached to it. It can make millions of computations in a second. It can detect changing light conditions in an instant. It can focus under light so dim that our eyes can't even see the outlines of the subject yet alone focus on it. Most can auto bracket. Most can do in-camera HDR. I'm not suggesting that we should put our cameras in Auto Mode and take what we get. Not at all. But what I am suggesting is to think about what is important for a particular image and select the shooting mode accordingly. If depth of field is important, select Av and let the camera figure out the correct exposure. If stopping action is important, then select Tv and let the camera determine the aperture to get a proper exposure. It's time to embrace the technology that has been so graciously handed to us. And yes, even Auto or Program mode has its place in photography. Admittedly, these sophisticated machines can be fooled and we need to be ever mindful of the limitations of the conditions that can produce unexpected results. But having said that, it is my opinion that we could spend our time better by learning to use Av and Tv properly. However, for those that insist on using manual mode, remember to disable Auto ISO and lock in your ISO to a fixed value. If you continue to leave your ISO on Auto, your exposure will vary as the light changes even if you have your aperture and shutter speed fixed. Remember the exposure triangle. This should stir up a heated debate.
I guess that I just don't understand the romance o... (show quote)

Yep, what you said.

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May 27, 2017 14:02:08   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
SS319 wrote:
When I hear someone say they want to shoot in Manual, I hear them saying they WANT to slow down, they want to LEARN photography, the want to UNDERSTAND how the image is formed. When you shoot in manual without a light meter, you have to critically look at light, and this critical look will make you a better photographer in the art of photography as opposed to the technology of photography. Photography is not about documenting a particular scene, it is capturing the soul and spirit of the light that produced that scene.

We may never get there, but to comprehend how someone like Ansel Adams could spend a day, two days, a week looking at a view and then only take a single exposure to perfectly capture - not the view - the light.

That is the reason to shoot in Manual.
When I hear someone say they want to shoot in Manu... (show quote)



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May 27, 2017 14:46:48   #
Whuff Loc: Marshalltown, Iowa
 
A few years ago when I bought my first DSLR (the only one I have) I joined here and someone told me I should shoot only in Manual mode. Being a raw newbie I believed him but I was so new to everything that I was intimidated by it. I did a whole bunch of research on the different modes and found that Aperture priority gave me control over depth of field which I wanted. Since most of the scenes I shoot don't have anything moving in them I didn't need to control that much at all and I could use Auto ISO if the light was changing quickly so I came to the conclusion that I should shoot in Aperture priority most of the time and the person who told me that was full of ****. Since then I've shot in Aperture priority 95% of the time, in Shutter priority 4% and manual only about 1% or less. I'm not going to tell you I always have perfect exposure but I doubt that anyone does.

Walt

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May 27, 2017 15:07:51   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
SS-319 has the correct point of view....it's the light. Photography is the science or art of capturing light. When I started there were no cameras with modes. The mode wasn't named Manual but that is what we call it today. I wasted a lot of film learning about exposure, today you don't have to wait for the photo shop to develop and print your experiments. I think the advice above about aperture preferred or shutter preferred might be the best option in todays world. If you understand how aperture controls depth of field and depth of focus and how shutter speed control stopping the action you can play all day and no wasted firm! I suggest a cheap printer so you can see the results in detail. Experiment, look at the parameters the camera used for each capture and prepare the results. Keep it up until you feel comfortable know what to do and then, if full manual still appeals try playing with both parameters at once. The "film" is free!

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