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May 26, 2017 05:59:29   #
A.J.R. Loc: Devon, UK
 
A couple of thoughts. I know the camera is capable of accurate colors as I have had a A6000 (now have the A6300), but also have the 50mm f1.8 OSS prime and the Sony/Zeiss 16-70 F4 OSS lens. What lens are you using? I cannot vouch for the kit lenses, although other members might be able to.
Are you making prints or viewing on a screen. Your screen or your printer might not be set up correctly.
I have in front of me a print of a copy of a painting that I have just done and the comparing it with the painting it is remarkably accurate.

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May 26, 2017 06:05:17   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Gene51 wrote:
The only accurate way to absolutely nail color and white balance is to use an Xrite ColorChecker Passport. You shoot a calibrated target as a raw file, convert the raw file to a ColorChecker Passport DNG complete with a color neutral balance stored in a profile, then use the sync command to apply that profile to all the images taken in the same lighting conditions. Anything else you use will not be as accurate. You may come pretty close with some solutions, but never as dead-on accurate as with a ColorChecker.

This is worth a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDtebpvATzc

This is entirely by the numbers - in other words, once you work with a camera profile, it will create an image that will be color accurate, even if your display is not - as long as you don't do any color adjustment based on what you see on your screen.
The only accurate way to absolutely nail color and... (show quote)


Right. Shooting for accurate color can be problematic. I don't have that problem, but many people need accurate color renditions. Raw (Sony ARW) and a ColorChecker are the best combo for getting accurate color.

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May 26, 2017 06:23:20   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
DazedandConfused wrote:
I am new to photography and purchased a Sony A6000 three (3) months ago to do my own photography of articles of clothing for establishing my new retail business.

I am having extreme difficulty in achieving accurate color in my photos. The camera settings render unsuitable color for advertising the articles.

Not sure of how to approach this problem, I used the Sony self-help sites with no success. I have tried adjusting the W/B settings with little results also. Same for the in-camera photo compensation settings.

I have attempted to shoot in natural light only as I do not have a lighting set up.

Are there in-camera adjustments I can make to achieve an accurate color rendition of my subjects or am I going to be forced to purchase a post photograph processing system which I want to avoid at least until I get an income from the business.
I am new to photography and purchased a Sony A6000... (show quote)


Most all cameras have some color bias and saturation issue as preset.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-a6000/sony-a6000A5.HTM
This discusses this issue and offers suggestions for you.

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May 26, 2017 06:36:25   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
A.J.R. wrote:
A couple of thoughts. I know the camera is capable of accurate colors as I have had a A6000 (now have the A6300), but also have the 50mm f1.8 OSS prime and the Sony/Zeiss 16-70 F4 OSS lens. What lens are you using? I cannot vouch for the kit lenses, although other members might be able to.
Are you making prints or viewing on a screen. Your screen or your printer might not be set up correctly.
I have in front of me a print of a copy of a painting that I have just done and the comparing it with the painting it is remarkably accurate.
A couple of thoughts. I know the camera is capabl... (show quote)


A print's faithfulness to the screen view is not necessarily accurate. It is still possible to closely match the screen, yet have color that is not correct. The only way to get "accurate" color, is to profile the camera to a known, widely acceptable standard. In fact, when you do that, even if your screen is showing blues as reds, and yellows as purples, if you don't try to adjust the on screen colors to make them look "normal" you will still get accurate color, because you are not depending on the display for accurate color, which is why the profile works.

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May 26, 2017 06:55:33   #
Opusx300
 
DazedandConfused wrote:
I am new to photography and purchased a Sony A6000 three (3) months ago to do my own photography of articles of clothing for establishing my new retail business.

I am having extreme difficulty in achieving accurate color in my photos. The camera settings render unsuitable color for advertising the articles.

Not sure of how to approach this problem, I used the Sony self-help sites with no success. I have tried adjusting the W/B settings with little results also. Same for the in-camera photo compensation settings.

I have attempted to shoot in natural light only as I do not have a lighting set up.

Are there in-camera adjustments I can make to achieve an accurate color rendition of my subjects or am I going to be forced to purchase a post photograph processing system which I want to avoid at least until I get an income from the business.
I am new to photography and purchased a Sony A6000... (show quote)


I had a bad problem like this with a Sony a6300 and after trying many of the approaches listed I gave up and got rid of the camera. It was a very frustrating experience. It was my first foray into mirrorless and I became turned off. Back to good ole DSLR's for me.

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May 26, 2017 07:42:58   #
A.J.R. Loc: Devon, UK
 
In my post I did not give the technique used to photograph the painting. I used daylight, auto white balance, (aperture priority), RAW/jpeg, but because the colors were good I used the jpeg, with a few slight color adjustments in Photoshop (As suggested by twowindsbear earlier Gimp would do the trick) the colors were extremely accurate. After making a small test print I made another very slight adjustment to the colors as (although Spyder Monitor Calibration and the printer is set up carefully for the paper I use) it needed a very slight color adjustment to get the print spot on. Personally I have never found it necessary to use anything like Xrite ColorChecker Passport. Of course as twowindsbear says, do not use mixed light sources. If you use artificial light all lamps used must be the same color temperature

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May 26, 2017 09:44:24   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Just a thought are the colors not true on the monitor screen or on the color prints. In short, is your reproduction process corrected for color balance?

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May 26, 2017 09:52:40   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
ole sarg wrote:
Just a thought are the colors not true on the monitor screen or on the color prints. In short, is your reproduction process corrected for color balance?
If I understand correctly, the OP is comparing final "ad" to actual object, not to anything intermediate. Part of the question is how well color is controlled in the advertising process.

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May 26, 2017 10:58:44   #
RWCRNC Loc: Pennsylvania
 
WessoJPEG wrote:
set camera to neutral or standard, not vivid.


I agree I have this camera and I set it to standard or neutral. It is in the menu under the camera icon. Scroll down to creative style. Shoot some pictures and see which style gives you the truest colors.

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May 26, 2017 11:35:06   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
RWCRNC wrote:
I agree I have this camera and I set it to standard or neutral. It is in the menu under the camera icon. Scroll down to creative style. Shoot some pictures and see which style gives you the truest colors.



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May 26, 2017 13:30:30   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
DazedandConfused wrote:
I am new to photography and purchased a Sony A6000 three (3) months ago to do my own photography of articles of clothing for establishing my new retail business.

I am having extreme difficulty in achieving accurate color in my photos. The camera settings render unsuitable color for advertising the articles.

Not sure of how to approach this problem, I used the Sony self-help sites with no success. I have tried adjusting the W/B settings with little results also. Same for the in-camera photo compensation settings.

I have attempted to shoot in natural light only as I do not have a lighting set up.

Are there in-camera adjustments I can make to achieve an accurate color rendition of my subjects or am I going to be forced to purchase a post photograph processing system which I want to avoid at least until I get an income from the business.
I am new to photography and purchased a Sony A6000... (show quote)

Does the A6000 allow you to set a Custom WB? If so, that should really improve things, if not you can adjust it during pp, PS would make easy work of that!

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May 26, 2017 14:29:27   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Your problem is one of the most difficult of all problems - color management. The first problem is the human brain. As we grew up we learned the colors. So when we see a white napkin we perceive it as white no matter if the lighting is rich in some shade of color. Then there is the color fidelity of the camera sensor, the device that displays the image, the ink that prints the image. Then there is the color fidelity of the so-called 'correction' tools. One trick is to place a 'standard' black & white card in the scene to set the camera's color balance tool. There is a black & white eye dropper tools procedure in Photoshop to compensate for color casts. Then there is the 'natural' light thing. Say not far from your scene there is a big yellow building - light reflected from it will mix with the light from other sources and so add a color cast - but that white shirt in the scene 'looks' white nevertheless. Back to the human again - as we age our eyes can begin to becloud with cataracts that distorts colors but our brains compensate without our knowing it.

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May 26, 2017 15:22:54   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
John_F wrote:
Your problem is one of the most difficult of all problems - color management. The first problem is the human brain. As we grew up we learned the colors. So when we see a white napkin we perceive it as white no matter if the lighting is rich in some shade of color. Then there is the color fidelity of the camera sensor, the device that displays the image, the ink that prints the image. Then there is the color fidelity of the so-called 'correction' tools. One trick is to place a 'standard' black & white card in the scene to set the camera's color balance tool. There is a black & white eye dropper tools procedure in Photoshop to compensate for color casts. Then there is the 'natural' light thing. Say not far from your scene there is a big yellow building - light reflected from it will mix with the light from other sources and so add a color cast - but that white shirt in the scene 'looks' white nevertheless. Back to the human again - as we age our eyes can begin to becloud with cataracts that distorts colors but our brains compensate without our knowing it.
Your problem is one of the most difficult of all p... (show quote)


His only problem is he has his camera set on vivid, that is all that is wrong. He has already sent me a PM. Cut out the BS.

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May 26, 2017 15:46:57   #
daf40 Loc: Mesa, AZ
 
There are many features on this camera that will have an effect on color. Many of the intelligent auto and superior auto modes will have a significant effect on color. Other possibilities are white balance, DRO, auto HDR, Vivid color settings, contrast settings, creative style, picture effect, color space. This is a great camera, but it is difficult to learn because there are so many options to set. You may want to look for a better manual, as the Sony documentation is pathetically incomplete. I use David Busch's Sony a6000/ILCE-6000 Digital Photography book. It is excellent, but it will take you a long time to slog through the book and learn about the versatility of the camera.

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May 26, 2017 20:10:33   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
DazedandConfused wrote:
I am new to photography and purchased a Sony A6000 three (3) months ago to do my own photography of articles of clothing for establishing my new retail business.

I am having extreme difficulty in achieving accurate color in my photos. The camera settings render unsuitable color for advertising the articles.

Not sure of how to approach this problem, I used the Sony self-help sites with no success. I have tried adjusting the W/B settings with little results also. Same for the in-camera photo compensation settings.

I have attempted to shoot in natural light only as I do not have a lighting set up.

Are there in-camera adjustments I can make to achieve an accurate color rendition of my subjects or am I going to be forced to purchase a post photograph processing system which I want to avoid at least until I get an income from the business.
I am new to photography and purchased a Sony A6000... (show quote)


May as well start with the book 'understanding exposure' by Bryan Peterson. You have a lot to learn.

If you need accurate color balance and tone you will need to learn how to do it right.

For a start you need a good exposure, if its underexposed tones will be darker and overexposed they will be lighter. Your camera will try to meter so it exposes so what's in front of it is mid gray. So lets say you want to photograph a white shirt, the camera assumes its a gray shirt and under exposes to make it gray. if its a black shirt then it will over expose it and it will also look gray. Colors will also get messed up that way too.

So for that first step a calibrated gray card is useful the camera will get the brightness of the color right. Lets say your camera figures F8 1/250th of a second at iso 200 for the gray card (the actual values will depend on the light). You should then be able to set those settings in manual mode and as long as the light doesn't change the tones should be right. If you don't keep the settings constant your camera will think the light has changed, where in reality it's the color of what you are photographing.

You also should do a white balance from that gray card too. because white light isn't white it tends to have a dominant color Fluorescent tubes give a greenish tint, tungsten bulbs tend to make peoples faces look red. Sunlight isn't constant either if its cloudy its a different color to a cloudless day.

That's pretty good color control for an amateur, most don't care about that, but you are in a tricky situation, your customer will expect the color of what you are selling to match the pictures you posted.

A pro product photographer will use something like an xrite color checker and create a stage set with balanced controlled lighting so each item gets the same color and temperature of light and a fixed exposure so the tones don't change.

If the manufacturer of what you are selling has product photo's you can use, use them. But good luck if it's cheap chinese clothing most of the time what you get does not look like its photograph.

Anyway getting a white balance from the gray card will remove most of the color cast and should get something reasonably close to what your customers will see on screen (they have uncalibrated screens so it will not be spot on anyway).

If you read the book you should start to understand what i am talking about.

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