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Jun 15, 2012 10:53:56   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
More evidence that god is the greatest practical joker of all time! Why else would he put galaxies almost 13 billion years old in a universe created less than 10,000 years ago?

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HONOLULU (AP) — A team of Japanese astronomers using telescopes on Hawaii say they've seen the oldest galaxy, a discovery that's competing with other "earliest galaxy" claims.

The Japanese team calculates its galaxy had formed by 12.91 billion years ago, and their research will be published in the Astrophysical Journal. The scientists with the National Astronomical Observatory of Japan used the Subaru and Keck telescopes on the summit of Mauna Kea.

Richard Ellis of the California Institute of Technology, an influential expert in cosmology and galaxy formation, said the latest work as more convincing than some other galaxy discoveries.

He said the Japanese claim is more "watertight," using methods that everyone can agree on. But he said it's not much of a change from a similar finding by the same team last year.

Still, "it's the most distant bullet-proof one that everybody believes," Ellis said.

In 2010, a French team using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope claimed to have discovered a galaxy from 13.1 billion years ago and last year a California team using Hubble said they saw a galaxy from 13.2 billion years ago. Both Hubble teams published findings in the journal Nature.

However, the two Hubble teams have yet to confirm their findings with other methods, said Ellis. Also, a team of Arizona State University astronomers this month claimed to have found a galaxy from 13 billion years ago. They used a telescope in Chile.

Current theory holds that the universe was born of an explosion, called the Big Bang, about 13.7 billion years ago. So astronomers using the most powerful telescopes available are peering deeper and deeper into the dawn of the universe.
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Jun 15, 2012 11:21:48   #
Robert Graybeal Loc: Myrtle Beach
 
ngc1514 wrote:
More evidence that god is the greatest practical joker of all time! Why else would he put galaxies almost 13 billion years old in a universe created less than 10,000 years ago?


Where in the world did you get the universe was created less than 10,000 year ago?

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Jun 15, 2012 11:38:00   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
Robert Graybeal wrote:
ngc1514 wrote:
More evidence that god is the greatest practical joker of all time! Why else would he put galaxies almost 13 billion years old in a universe created less than 10,000 years ago?


Where in the world did you get the universe was created less than 10,000 year ago?

Ask any Young Earth Creationist. Ken Ham's web page is pretty clear about it.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/

Serious looney tunes! Some believe it's younger than the 10,000 year age.

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The age of the universe is a point of dispute between the Bible and the opinion of the majority of astronomers today. The Bible implicitly teaches us about the age of the universe. In other words, it gives us sufficient information so that we can compute approximately how long ago God created the universe. The Bible teaches that the entire universe was created in six earth-rotation days (Exodus 20:11 ). Furthermore, the Bible provides the age differences between parents and descendants1 when listing certain genealogies. From these kinds of biblical references, we know that the elapsed time between Adam and the birth of Christ was roughly 4,000 years. From other historical records, we know that Christ was born roughly 2,000 years ago. Since Adam was created on the sixth day of the creation week, we can conclude that the earth, the entire universe, and everything in it were created approximately 6,000 years ago.
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Jun 15, 2012 12:51:57   #
Robert Graybeal Loc: Myrtle Beach
 
Exodus 20:11 says the Lord created the earth in 6 days...
not the universe

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Jun 15, 2012 13:05:42   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
Robert Graybeal wrote:
Exodus 20:11 says the Lord created the earth in 6 days...
not the universe

Go argue with Ham and the rest of the YECers about it.

The universe is a bit over 13 billion years old and the earth about 4.3 billion. The bible is not a science book.

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Jun 15, 2012 13:07:05   #
Roger Hicks Loc: Aquitaine
 
Fossils are good too...

Cheers,

R.

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Jun 15, 2012 13:40:38   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
True, but even better these days is DNA and mitochondrial DNA. Almost let's you read evolutionary history like a book.

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Jun 15, 2012 16:11:58   #
Robert Graybeal Loc: Myrtle Beach
 
ngc1514 wrote:
Robert Graybeal wrote:
Exodus 20:11 says the Lord created the earth in 6 days...
not the universe

Go argue with Ham and the rest of the YECers about it.

The universe is a bit over 13 billion years old and the earth about 4.3 billion. The bible is not a science book.


FINALY: We agree!

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Jun 15, 2012 16:18:30   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
I wasn't aware of any disagreement, Robert. The disagreement seems to be with those who think the earth only a few thousand years old.

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Jun 15, 2012 16:25:15   #
madcapmagishion
 
ngc1514 wrote:
Robert Graybeal wrote:
Exodus 20:11 says the Lord created the earth in 6 days...
not the universe

Go argue with Ham and the rest of the YECers about it.

The universe is a bit over 13 billion years old and the earth about 4.3 billion. The bible is not a science book.


YECers???

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Jun 15, 2012 16:27:42   #
madcapmagishion
 
Robert Graybeal wrote:
Exodus 20:11 says the Lord created the earth in 6 days...
not the universe


The Lord may have created the Earth in just 6 days but with the billions and billions of planets in the universe, it probably took 13 billion years to create them all at 6 days each per planet. :mrgreen:

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Jun 15, 2012 22:46:06   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
madcapmagishion wrote:
ngc1514 wrote:
Robert Graybeal wrote:
Exodus 20:11 says the Lord created the earth in 6 days...
not the universe

Go argue with Ham and the rest of the YECers about it.

The universe is a bit over 13 billion years old and the earth about 4.3 billion. The bible is not a science book.


YECers???

Young Earth Creationists

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Jun 15, 2012 22:47:47   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
madcapmagishion wrote:
Robert Graybeal wrote:
Exodus 20:11 says the Lord created the earth in 6 days...
not the universe


The Lord may have created the Earth in just 6 days but with the billions and billions of planets in the universe, it probably took 13 billion years to create them all at 6 days each per planet. :mrgreen:

A *REAL* supreme bean coulda done 'em all at once.

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Jun 15, 2012 22:53:44   #
Artsmith Loc: Grayson, Georgia
 
Serious question, how is it possible to determine the age of these galaxies just by seeing them in a telescope?

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Jun 15, 2012 22:53:55   #
madcapmagishion
 
ngc1514 wrote:
madcapmagishion wrote:
Robert Graybeal wrote:
Exodus 20:11 says the Lord created the earth in 6 days...
not the universe


The Lord may have created the Earth in just 6 days but with the billions and billions of planets in the universe, it probably took 13 billion years to create them all at 6 days each per planet. :mrgreen:

A *REAL* supreme bean coulda done 'em all at once.


Is that *REAL* supreme bean a Fava bean, a Kidney bean, a Garbanzo bean, a Lima bean, a Black bean or even a Mung bean? :mrgreen:

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