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May 8, 2017 01:34:21   #
jim quist Loc: Missouri
 
This sure has struck a nerve with Apaflo. Seems like three shot bursts with everything is going to get a lot of wasted shots and wasted time at the computer.

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May 8, 2017 02:46:49   #
IBM
 
exposeu wrote:
I would say it is not a questions of pro vs amateur, it has just become the norm. I shot weddings on film for over 25 years and had no way of knowing if I was getting anything. With film, after awhile, you just know all is good, things will be fine. You became sure of what you were doing, and trust your gear. As a side note, all my weddings and portraits in those 25 years turned out. Only time it did not was the UPS building in my town burned down with my work from the weekend inside.

Randy
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For sure it's our nature to look , double check if you will , ever since we been shoveling food into our mouth weather it's on a fork or in our
hand we always give it a look before it hits our pie hole . Why is that you can do it with your eyes closed , but we always look , it's the same with our camera , it's confirmation that it went as planed on to the censor in the camera , and the food had no strange look to it so it went down , good job , we'll done , Pat pat on the back,

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May 8, 2017 04:30:11   #
tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio
 
It's absurd and will not be tolerated.

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May 8, 2017 05:34:27   #
markjay
 
Chimping wastes alot of time, and creates frequent situations where the photographer is che king his shot - while missing a better shot immediately after taking the first.
It is a sign of lack of professionalism in many ways that each picture has top be checked. If the photographer is good, and confident, he knows bny looking through the viewfinder what he got.

If you have ever seem the movie "Smash his Camera" about the fame papparazzi Ron Galella (a must see if you have not seen it) - he talks about how he doesnt even use the viewfinder. That is a professional ! he has shot some of the most amazing portraits of the 20th century - all by feel. he points the camera from experience, shoots, and moves on to the next shot. He knows what will be in the image from the way he holds and points the camera.

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May 8, 2017 06:04:35   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
c49smith wrote:
I read an article on another site that talked about the propensity of some photographers to look at the captured image immediately after taking the shot. The author referred to this as "chimping", like something a monkey would do. This was considered by the author to be unprofessional behavior. So I was at a wedding last night and sure enough the photographer was "chimping" after every shot. (It's amazing the things we notice isn't it?) So I ask all you experienced hoggers out there. Is this unprofessional behavior by the photographer or maybe the inevitable result of the digital media? Instant gratification for the artist so to speak?
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When I shoot (for myself or for money) I usually look at the LCD screen to see the shot I just took. I don't consider it chimping, but my livelihood often depends on getting certain shots. If I'm shooting (especially in areas or events that it would be difficult to reshoot). I can't go back so I want to make sure that I either got the shot or I can make adjustments to make the shot better. There is very little more frustrating than to take a series of shots and find that either the lens didn't focus where I thought it was or that my exposure was off for some reason. Its ALWAYS easier to take additional shots while you are there than it is to come back a couple of days later and hope for a reshoot. Yes, I am a competent photographer but competent doesn't necessarily equate to stupid. If I'm shooting a race at a specific turn and have worked diligently to setup the shot, you can bet that I'm going to make SURE I got it or am ready to try to get another.

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May 8, 2017 06:10:24   #
cthahn
 
What difference does it make when you look at the last picture you took? How stupid for someone to write something like this. If I was taking pictures of anything, got home and found out that none of the pictures turned out because of a bad setting, I would not be very happy. I check all my shot for exposure immediately. Some people dream up garbage like this to get some publicity and it is just another worthless piece of information.

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May 8, 2017 06:10:25   #
advocate1982
 
Apaflo wrote:
Some people go to the strangest efforts to exclude others and leave themselves as the ideal.

Chimping is a very smart technique for any fast action type of event photography. Keep in mind though that they are not looking at the image and critiquing it. They are looking at a data display on the LCD screen, showing graphics such as an histogram and blinking highlight display, plus text data indicating the values set by auto modes. Only a beginner would ignore that information for more than a couple shots in a row.

The wedding photographer was in the hot seat. Produce or else. He knew how to best insure a quality product at the end of the day.

Your author is like many here on the Internet with a great deal of armchair experience who don't make a good living from the camera's output.
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Your first line is just perfect. There are so many "rules" for being a professional that are just stupid. Those rules are try to set maintain photography as an elitist club that only the "best" can be a part of. Not being professional because you don't use manual exposure is right up there at the top of that list. Others that fit the list - camera bodies (canon vs Nikon, full frame vs crop vs point and shoot) , lenses (prime vs zoom) , f-stops (like only using f1.4) , lighting (natural vs strobe vs speedlight) , well in short, just about any aspect of photography, you have somebody that will insist that you are enlightened only by using a particular item or method.

The problem with just about all of these "rules" is that they all make the job of creating the image just that much harder, and usually the one pushing the hardest for following said rule, if you look deep enough, has something to gain. Like selling a course to the unenlightened.

The bottom line is this - if the equipment you are using and the techniques you are using are giving YOU the results that YOU want. Then all the rest is bupkis.

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May 8, 2017 06:14:43   #
markjay
 
This is the most articulate contribution I have seen here. You are right - most of the comments are nothing but bubkis. Like you - I am a recent member here. Thank you for the fresh contribution and thought.

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May 8, 2017 06:19:48   #
advocate1982
 
Apaflo wrote:
Learn to use the technology! A 3 or 4 shot burst in high speed continuous mode guarantees the ability to produce a photograph with no blinkers etc., chimping does not! Trying to review each member of even small groups is a waste of time, and not easy anyway. It is an exceedingly unprofessional use of chimping!

Granted that this is actually a professional technique though, because it really needs lighting that can fire at the same intensity and color multiple times in one second. Multiple high power studio strobes make it easy, and anything less is a potential failure or excessive work.
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The worst part of this advice is that not only does it not solve the problem, it creates a different problem to deal with as well. Overshooting and the subsequent time suck of editing 3-4 times as many images.

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May 8, 2017 06:20:10   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
c49smith wrote:
I read an article on another site that talked about the propensity of some photographers to look at the captured image immediately after taking the shot. The author referred to this as "chimping", like something a monkey would do. This was considered by the author to be unprofessional behavior. So I was at a wedding last night and sure enough the photographer was "chimping" after every shot. (It's amazing the things we notice isn't it?) So I ask all you experienced hoggers out there. Is this unprofessional behavior by the photographer or maybe the inevitable result of the digital media? Instant gratification for the artist so to speak?
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Looking after each shot is very professional. If you can as it verifies the shot for composition, eyes open etc. It would be an idiot who is being paid to produce the best product possible product and use every tool available in the tool box. What if we were in the film days and the film was not advancing or the aperture was all of a sudden not functioning? All would be lost. At least there is verification available now to us and it would take a fool of an idiot to not verify the shot. It has absolutely nothing to do with instant gratification.

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May 8, 2017 06:23:57   #
advocate1982
 
via the lens wrote:
You cannot take seriously everything you read from sanctimonious idiots! If someone wants to look at the back of their camera, so what! Sometimes I look to check the overall composition and sometimes just to check the histogram or blinkies. But it should not matter anyway and it is no disgrace. When taking a break I'll thumb through the images just to see if anything turned out really great or if there is something I really like. And, yes, it is referred to as chimping. I don't let that bother me.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you. Sanctimonious is the word I have been looking for in response to many posts.

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May 8, 2017 06:26:50   #
markjay
 
Somehow all those professional photographers in film days never worried about all of the problems that you re raising !

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May 8, 2017 06:50:42   #
Jay Pat Loc: Round Rock, Texas, USA
 
The photog is probably checking for closed eyes/blinking, too.
Pat

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May 8, 2017 06:52:02   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
c49smith wrote:
I read an article on another site that talked about the propensity of some photographers to look at the captured image immediately after taking the shot. The author referred to this as "chimping", like something a monkey would do. This was considered by the author to be unprofessional behavior. So I was at a wedding last night and sure enough the photographer was "chimping" after every shot. (It's amazing the things we notice isn't it?) So I ask all you experienced hoggers out there. Is this unprofessional behavior by the photographer or maybe the inevitable result of the digital media? Instant gratification for the artist so to speak?
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The unprofessional thing to do would be to deliver a "less than the best image quality" to the client.

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May 8, 2017 06:53:31   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
Oh gee, I have never, ever taken a photograph only to find out later that my camera settings were still set from the last work I was doing and the current photograph was crap. No. Never, ever happened. Of course, I lie. As noted, one of the largest advantages of digital is seeing what you are doing as you are doing it. I generally don't review every photo, but if I was being paid to capture a once-in-a-lifetime event, I would sure be looking at most of them!

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