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Apr 24, 2017 10:24:43   #
jonfrei
 
Just a quick addition -- as someone else mentioned, replication doesn't protect from data corruption -- I always do some significant quasi-random sampling of both old and new data BEFORE bringing in and connecting the offline drives.

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Apr 24, 2017 10:31:03   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
I also use Acronis - have been for 7 years - great tech support and friendly (now) software. I have a Cloud subscription with unlimited storage. The best $99 yearly expenditure I have.
Mark

mjgoulet wrote:
I tried the RAID route and had nothing but problems. This would be ideal if it would work. So I use a 2 TB drive to store my photo files and a Seagate 4 TB drive to back then up on along with the rest of my laptop. I've had no issues with Seagate. Acronis is the backup software I use and it's intuitive and reliable. You can do incremental as well as full backups.

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Apr 24, 2017 10:34:19   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
rmm0605 wrote:
I would set up a RAID array, which could back up and store at the same time.


I use a Seagate 4TB portable drive as my working drive (so I can easily move my entire LR catalog and files between my Desktop and my laptop and take it on trips with my Laptop). This is the same drive the OP is asking about.

For backup I probably go overboard. I use WD MyCloud Mirror 2 x 2TB drives set up as a RAID 1. If one drive fails, it can be quickly hot-swapped. Thus, I always have two copies of every file and I do regular backups to that. Then, as an added measure, about once a month, I backup the backup onto a 2TB iOSAFE fireproof and water proof drive. The thing is as big as a toaster, but it can be bolted/locked to my large, very heavy oak desk to deter theft. If the house ever burns down, this thing can withstand up to 1550ºF for 30 minutes and can be submerged in water.

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Apr 24, 2017 10:39:32   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
mackphotos wrote:
Hello,

I'm need two external hard drives one for backup and a 2nd for photo storage. What do you use? size? manufacturer? backup software? etc.
Costco has a Seagate 4TB for $109 which seems like a good deal. What do you think. Thanks.


Bought it, works well

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Apr 24, 2017 10:40:23   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Basil wrote:
I use a Seagate 4TB portable drive as my working drive (so I can easily move my entire LR catalog and files between my Desktop and my laptop and take it on trips with my Laptop.

For backup I probably go overboard. I use WD MyCloud Mirror 2 x 2TB drives set up as a RAID 0. If one drive fails, it can be quickly hot-swapped. Thus, I always have two copies of every file and I do regular backups to that. Then, as an added measure, about once a month, I backup the backup onto a 2TB iOSAFE fireproof and water proof drive. The thing is as big as a toaster, but it can be bolted/locked to my large, very heavy oak desk to deter theft. If the house ever burns down, this thing can withstand up to 1550ºF for 30 minutes and can be submerged in water.
I use a Seagate 4TB portable drive as my working d... (show quote)


I'm hoping you mean RAID 1, because if one drive fails in a RAID 0, you just lost all the data, because a file is stripped across both drives unless it's very, very small (will fit into a single block)

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Apr 24, 2017 10:42:44   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
TriX wrote:
I'm hoping you mean RAID 1, because if one drive fails in a RAID 0, you just lost all the data, because a file is stripped across both drives unless it's very, very small (will fit into a single block)


Brain fart. You're right - I did mean RAID 1. I've fixed my post.

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Apr 24, 2017 10:44:22   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Basil wrote:
Brain fart. You're right - I did mean RAID 1. I've fixed my post.


I have those on an hourly basis 🙀

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Apr 24, 2017 11:01:12   #
Harp Loc: Albany, GA
 
What do you mean by "chips"? Do you mean flash drives?

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Apr 24, 2017 11:06:06   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
My chosen backup route is to use Synology NAS servers. I like the 4 slot models and I am using Western Digital Red or Red Plus drives. Very happy with my choice and no issues yet -- have been using these system for over 5 years! Best of luck.

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Apr 24, 2017 11:25:11   #
woodworkerman Loc: PA to FL
 
I have 15 TB of hard drive space for the thousands of photographs and user videos I have. I have had 3 large Seagate crashes and a LaCie crash over the years. I switched to G-Drives through the suggestion of several pro photographers who have world-wide reputations. Couldn't be happier. Got mine through Amazon.

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Apr 24, 2017 11:58:03   #
Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
For over twenty years I owned a computer business. We sold and serviced desktops and small enterprise systems. I hear a lot of complaints about Seagate, but never experienced reliability problems in all those years. In fact Seagate was our goto for reliability. Nothing wrong with Western Digital either. Google and others use thousand of hard drives and have detailed stats on the various brands. In #1 place are some brands you will never hear about, but just below that are HGST (formerly Hitachi) and Seagate, with WD coming in close behind.

Every hard drive WILL fail. It is only a matter of time. But Seagate, despite the bad rap it has gotten here, is as reliable as any and more than some (Toshiba has recently experienced a rash of fails.)

My desktop, which is now four years old, has three internal drives: 1 HGST, 1 Seagate, 1 WD. I keep my OS and software on one drive, my photos on a second and all other data on the third. I keep a daily backup to two external drives, both Seagate, purchased at Costco over two years ago. A third external Seagate is an older one (Six years) and only 1 TB. It is there for overflow use only. After six years I wouldn't trust any drive. My next desktop will have a solid state drive as C: to hold OS and programs.

One option is to buy an HGST drive and put it in a box--you can purchase these from Newegg or Tigerdirect for about $40. The drive will be another $1-200 depending on size and model. However, if you buy the Costco Seagate and it doesn't work, you walk back in with it and get your money back. Not so, if you have a problem with a home=made one. And good luck exercizing the warranty on the drive. It can be done, with infinite patience.

Nothing I've said here is a guarantee. Even the earth will die eventually in a ball of fire. Or sooner under the current administration.

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Apr 24, 2017 12:08:54   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
Reinaldokool wrote:
For over twenty years I owned a computer business. We sold and serviced desktops and small enterprise systems. I hear a lot of complaints about Seagate, but never experienced reliability problems in all those years. In fact Seagate was our goto for reliability. Nothing wrong with Western Digital either. Google and others use thousand of hard drives and have detailed stats on the various brands. In #1 place are some brands you will never hear about, but just below that are HGST (formerly Hitachi) and Seagate, with WD coming in close behind.

Every hard drive WILL fail. It is only a matter of time. But Seagate, despite the bad rap it has gotten here, is as reliable as any and more than some (Toshiba has recently experienced a rash of fails.)

My desktop, which is now four years old, has three internal drives: 1 HGST, 1 Seagate, 1 WD. I keep my OS and software on one drive, my photos on a second and all other data on the third. I keep a daily backup to two external drives, both Seagate, purchased at Costco over two years ago. A third external Seagate is an older one (Six years) and only 1 TB. It is there for overflow use only. After six years I wouldn't trust any drive. My next desktop will have a solid state drive as C: to hold OS and programs.

One option is to buy an HGST drive and put it in a box--you can purchase these from Newegg or Tigerdirect for about $40. The drive will be another $1-200 depending on size and model. However, if you buy the Costco Seagate and it doesn't work, you walk back in with it and get your money back. Not so, if you have a problem with a home=made one. And good luck exercizing the warranty on the drive. It can be done, with infinite patience.

Nothing I've said here is a guarantee. Even the earth will die eventually in a ball of fire. Or sooner under the current administration.
For over twenty years I owned a computer business.... (show quote)


Political commentary aside , I have had a Seagate 3TB FreeAgent GoFlex running non-stop for 5 years (It is my iTunes music and movie server). I have a 4TB Seagate Backup Plus portable drive as my primary photo/ LR drive for the past couple of years. So far so good. Of course I back everything up twice - once on a WD MyCloud Mirror RAID 1 (two - mirrored Hitachi drives that are hot-swappable if one fails) and also an iOSafe Fire proof, water proof drive as an added precaution. At least with the Seagate's I've owned I've been very happy. However, I recently bought a WD 3TB Passport drive and it died after a couple of months. Like you said - any drive will fail eventually, which is why a robust backup strategy is so important.

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Apr 24, 2017 12:18:34   #
Kuzano
 
markngolf wrote:
I also use Acronis - have been for 7 years - great tech support and friendly (now) software. I have a Cloud subscription with unlimited storage. The best $99 yearly expenditure I have.
Mark


I agree on Acronis. One of the best utility programs I have ever used, and I am about 5 years longer on usage. Can't even begin to tell you how many hard drives I have "cloned" with TruImage from Acronis among other fixes.

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Apr 24, 2017 12:34:50   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
mackphotos wrote:
Hello,

I'm need two external hard drives one for backup and a 2nd for photo storage. What do you use? size? manufacturer? backup software? etc.
Costco has a Seagate 4TB for $109 which seems like a good deal. What do you think. Thanks.


Seagate drives have one of the highest failure rates in the industry. Personally I use WD or Toshiba.
http://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-q1-2016/

When I was a systems engineer for Hartford Insurance, Seagate was on our "forbidden" list of drives. When we purchased our computers from Compaq, we required that they either ship the computers without drives or ship them with Toshiba, WD or (at that time Hitachi) drives. Computers with Seagate would not be accepted.

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Apr 24, 2017 13:00:00   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
I have two hard drive backup systems; one for my operating system, program files and documents and one exclusively for photo editing and storage on my 27" iMac, which only has a 1Tb internal drive. All of my hard drives are Western Digital because of reliability.

My operating system backup is to a 4Tb Western Digital My Book using Get Backup Pro 3 software, which allows full and incremental backups and additionally cloning and synchronization. That backup is only necessary when I update, add to or remove programs, or generate documents, which is infrequent. At a minimum, I run that backup every two weeks. This backup also provides a backup boot drive in the event that the computer's internal drive should fail.

For photography backup, I do all of my downloading and editing on a 5Tb Western Digital My Book drive. The backup is done multiple times a day to a five bay Drobo RAID system which contains three Western Digital 4Tb Red Drives using the Time Machine backup program that is built into all Mac computers. Red Drives are more expensive, but are optimized for the RAID's duty cycle. Although the Drobo allows hot swapping of hard drives, the two remaining Drobo bays are reserved for expansion. The reason for adding a third drive in the Drobo instead of two is reliability. With two drives, the Drobo is capable of correcting a single data error (bit pick or drop in a data word) at a time. With three drives, the Drobo can correct two picks or drops in a data word.

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