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Apr 23, 2017 06:47:26   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
Can I use a cheap IR camera to check for snakes in deep grass, of around rocks?
Would an IR filter on my XTi work just as well?
Marion

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Apr 23, 2017 06:53:21   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Marionsho wrote:
Can I use a cheap IR camera to check for snakes in deep grass, of around rocks?
Would an IR filter on my XTi work just as well?
Marion


Clever!

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Apr 23, 2017 07:29:34   #
John Lash
 
Aren't snakes cold blooded? Interesting thought but wouldn't they be the same temperature as their environment?

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Apr 23, 2017 07:33:43   #
fuminous Loc: Luling, LA... for now...
 
I believe John's right on that... of course, you might find a warm one that JUST slithered in when you approached.

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Apr 23, 2017 07:35:17   #
John Lash
 
I looked here...http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/blogs/hot-and-wild-14-thermal-images-of-animals

It says they're "heat stingy" and hardly show up.

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Apr 23, 2017 09:29:01   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
John Lash wrote:
I looked here...http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/blogs/hot-and-wild-14-thermal-images-of-animals

It says they're "heat stingy" and hardly show up.


Opps. I haven't checked out your link yet, but, 9th grade biology taught me that snakes are cold blooded. That's the reason some like to be handled.
Duh.

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Apr 23, 2017 09:46:29   #
WayneT Loc: Paris, TN
 
No IR cameras will not pick up heat you would need a heat monitor which is a different form of IR. A snake is cold blooded anyway so you wouldn't see them even with a heat sensor.

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Apr 23, 2017 11:06:28   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
WayneT wrote:
No IR cameras will not pick up heat you would need a heat monitor which is a different form of IR. A snake is cold blooded anyway so you wouldn't see them even with a heat sensor.


You'd need something like a Flir.

http://www.flir.com/instruments/display/?id=56784

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Apr 23, 2017 11:20:40   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
WayneT wrote:
No IR cameras will not pick up heat you would need a heat monitor which is a different form of IR. A snake is cold blooded anyway so you wouldn't see them even with a heat sensor.


This is correct. An IR camera is only picking up the spectrum beyond red which our eyes cannot see. A snake would not be seen unless it was out in the open.

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Apr 23, 2017 11:42:59   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
jerryc41 wrote:
You'd need something like a Flir.

http://www.flir.com/instruments/display/?id=56784


I always enjoyed the thermal images of F1 pitstops. They didn't show them near often enough for me.

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Apr 23, 2017 12:01:46   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Marionsho wrote:
I always enjoyed the thermal images of F1 pitstops. They didn't show them near often enough for me.




I often thought of getting one to check for hotspots on the outside of my house in the winter.

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Apr 24, 2017 05:35:33   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
[quote=Marionsho]Can I use a cheap IR camera to check for snakes in deep grass, of around rocks?
Would an IR filter on my XTi work just as well?
Marion[/quote
No.
Cameras with I/R filters do not sense heat, and heat sensing cameras are not cheap.
I believe you can get an idea at www.grainger.com

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Apr 24, 2017 05:40:44   #
katastrofa Loc: London, UK
 
Just use a strong flashlight, walk carefully, and not barefoot.

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Apr 24, 2017 05:46:42   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Marionsho wrote:
Can I use a cheap IR camera to check for snakes in deep grass, of around rocks?
Would an IR filter on my XTi work just as well?
Marion


Somewhat off-topic. But an IR filter would reduce almost all of the visible light, making for long shutter speeds and high ISOs. You wouldn't be able to see, focus compose - with the filter attached. A better solution would be to use an infrared converted camera. Though using it, as others have mentioned, to reveal a cold-blooded animal, would be futile.

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Apr 24, 2017 07:01:41   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
Cameras with I/R filters do not sense heat, and heat sensing cameras are not cheap. I believe you can get an idea at www.grainger.com

Yes, correct, altho I am sure that this discussion will go the usual 8 pages. True Trupites ignore science and favor opinion.. to opine is divine! Actually this is a good question to make us UHH people dig into IR photography and understand more about it.

The converted camera measures reflectance of IR vs the true thermal imaging which measures temperature. Simply stated a red surface reflects vs a red light bulb emits.

"For the temperature readings, the sensor can detect values from -40°C to 330°C. Oh, a quick reminder about emissivity. The IR camera can “see” things through two different mechanisms. It could see the light that an object emits from it’s temperature (this is what you want). However, it could also “see” things because of reflected IR light. Different materials reflect more IR light, this reflection is expressed with the emissivity coefficient. A coefficient of 1.0 would mean that no IR light is reflected and a 0 would be an object that reflects all IR light."

Best throw away the DSLR conversion and buy a iPhone.
https://www.wired.com/2014/10/seek-thermal-infrared-camera-iphone-android/

Don't get this sensor mixed up with the others that measure blood sugar, and other diseased states humm... Oh! like the unit used on Star-trek Second Generation ...those old clunky DSLR just can not compete with modern tech like the iPhone!!!

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