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Apr 20, 2017 16:13:55   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
wdross wrote:
I am fairly certain that UHH member Bill at burkphoto has some experience with these. As I recall, he indicated they work very well and actually improve potential image quality. You might want to PM him at burkphoto.


Assuming that Bill would be generous enough to respond - which he usually is - I suspect many of us would like to see the response.

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Apr 20, 2017 16:21:54   #
BebuLamar
 
Peterff wrote:
Your comment about speed boosters has nothing to do with mirrors, just adapting and focusing the light captured by a full frame lens onto a smaller sensor. Clearly lens focusing distances factor in, but mirrors don't necessarily do so. I'm also not convinced about your focal length assertions. A 50mm lens remains a 50mm lens. However the field of view could be potentially the same as a 32mm lens designed for a M4/3 sensor. As for DOF, it will be thin at the widest aperture.

Without using intermediate adapters (with lenses) I have a modified 55mm f/1.2 Canon FL lens on my EOS APS-C body. I'm never short of light but the DOF wide open is razor thin. From a field of view perspective it is equivalent to a 88mm (portrait) lens on a full frame.

It's all about the frame of reference and the results. So far as I understand it, what the speed booster does is provide a couple of extra equivalent stops from concentrating the light at any aperture setting. How useful it is I have no idea.
Your comment about speed boosters has nothing to d... (show quote)


I heard that the speedbooster from Metabones doesn't work very well. However, I think it's useful if it works. It reduced the focal length and increase the light intensity so you ended up with a shorter and faster lens which is better for the smaller sensor. In this case the 50mm lens isn't a 50mm lens any more it's has shorter focal length.

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Apr 20, 2017 16:32:25   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
BebuLamar wrote:
It reduced the focal length and increased the light intensity so you ended up with a shorter and faster lens which is better for the smaller sensor. In this case the 50mm lens isn't a 50mm lens any more it's has shorter focal length.


As for focal length, by what comparative metrics? I do not know the answer, but I'm interested in hearing from those with experience. Turning a 50mm FF lens into a 32mm wide(ish) angle (FF equivalent) would be an interesting trick.

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Apr 20, 2017 16:54:43   #
BebuLamar
 
Turning it into a 32mm lens but not wide angle because it reduces the image circle as well and in that way it makes the image brighter

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Apr 20, 2017 17:04:43   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Turning it into a 32mm lens but not wide angle because it reduces the image circle as well and in that way it makes the image brighter


32mm by what comparison point? A 50mm lens is still a 50mm lens is it not? Are you suggesting that this works as a negative teleconverter - 1.4 or 2x - so a 0.64 converter that it effectively becomes a 32mm lens in 35mm equivalent, which would be a moderate wide angle as opposed to a 'normal' lens' in 35mm speak?

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Apr 20, 2017 18:33:48   #
BebuLamar
 
Peterff wrote:
32mm by what comparison point? A 50mm lens is still a 50mm lens is it not? Are you suggesting that this works as a negative teleconverter - 1.4 or 2x - so a 0.64 converter that it effectively becomes a 32mm lens in 35mm equivalent, which would be a moderate wide angle as opposed to a 'normal' lens' in 35mm speak?


Pretty much a negative converter! It reduces the image circle to fit the smaller sensor and intensify the light by making the image smaller. If you check on the Nikon E2 and E3 or the Fujix DSLR you will see. Back then the sensor that they used is tiny even smaller than 4/3 yet it can use all the 35mm lenses normally without any crop factor. It also helps to strengthen the light as those sensors were not sensitive. Yes the lens would become a 32mm in 35mm equivalent but it also vignette if you use it on a full frame camera.

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Apr 20, 2017 18:57:09   #
Winslowe
 
wdross wrote:
For example, I use my film age Olympus 90mm f2 macro on my former Olympus E-M5 and now my E-M1mrII. The 90mm macro was a full frame lense and on a micro 4/3rds camera has a field of view the equivalent of a 180mm f2 in full frame terms. The adapter only provides the distance required to place the lense / camera in the proper relationship. The lense aperture has to be manually set, there is no autofocus (What is manual focusing?), and exposure is only proper shown if one shoots in aperture mode or manual mode. Olympus indicates it is only sharp to their standards between f4 and f11. Their standards are pertty tough since I commonly shoot with it at f2.8 and occasionally at f2 and I see very little degradation of quality.
For example, I use my film age Olympus 90mm f2 mac... (show quote)

I'm sorry, I thought the topic was mirror lenses. My bad.

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Apr 20, 2017 18:57:34   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Pretty much a negative converter! .....Yes the lens would become a 32mm in 35mm equivalent but it also vignette if you use it on a full frame camera.


That's what I was looking to clarify, so the additional glass has to be high quality since it is in effect a lens modification.

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Apr 20, 2017 19:15:46   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 
Mac wrote:
If you put a mirror lens on a mirrorless camera, will that spin you in to a time warp?


Yep, then hope Scotty can beam you back up

Don

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Apr 20, 2017 20:40:35   #
dmsM43
 
You will need an adapter to fit it to a Sony mirrorless camera, as the lens mount is the Minolta A-mount, which is still used on the Sony cameras like the A99ii. Depending on what adapter and camera you have, you can have AF with this lens. This lens was the only AF mirror reflex lens ever made. It was rebranded as a Sony lens, but is no longer in production.

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Apr 20, 2017 21:23:53   #
n3eg Loc: West coast USA
 
No donut bokeh for me.

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Apr 20, 2017 22:55:39   #
tgreenhaw
 
Sorry for the somewhat offtopic responses :-)

burkphoto wrote:
Remember, there's a 2X crop factor on Micro 4/3 cameras. So a 50 without the SpeedBooster has the full frame equivalent field of view of 100. With SpeedBooster, the focal length is 32mm, but the full frame equivalent field of view is 64mm.

Maximum aperture is limited by the inner barrel diameter of the SpeedBooster to f/0.8, regardless of the attached lens.

The SB works on the principle of minification, the opposite of magnification. So the image gets smaller, yielding a wider field of view. The light intensity is increased by 1.33 stops. And the modulation transfer function curves show sharper, higher resolution performance than you would have without it.

One benefit of mirrorless is focus accuracy. There is never any need for lens-to-body calibration. The sensor handles focus! So razor thin DOF isn't a problem if you can autofocus on the right thing, OR manually focus using focus peaking or focus magnification features. Besides, on Micro 4/3, you have a two stop increase in DOF without the SpeedBooster, and about 2/3 stop increase in DOF with it.

All in all, it's the only dSLR lens "adapter" that makes sense. If I had Canon EF-L series lenses, I'd get one. With Nikon lenses, you lose any and all the automatic features of your lenses. And I have Nikon lenses from long ago.
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I've been itching for an excuse to buy a mirrorless body that does 4K video. I did marry the Canon line of lenses, so I think I'd like to give this a try. I'm planning some trips to places that don't allow flash photography, e.g. Vatican and I'd like to go armed for bear for handheld available light so the combination of a super fast lens and in body stabilization looks like a winner in those situations.

I need to study what is available. the Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II looks interesting but they haven't been known for good quality at higher ISO settings. The Panasonic LUMIX GX8 also looks like a good choice. If I do give it a try, I'll be sure to share my results.

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Apr 20, 2017 23:04:45   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
tgreenhaw wrote:
Sorry for the somewhat offtopic responses :-)



I've been itching for an excuse to buy a mirrorless body that does 4K video. I did marry the Canon line of lenses, so I think I'd like to give this a try. I'm planning some trips to places that don't allow flash photography, e.g. Vatican and I'd like to go armed for bear for handheld available light so the combination of a super fast lens and in body stabilization looks like a winner in those situations.

I need to study what is available. the Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II looks interesting but they haven't been known for good quality at higher ISO settings. The Panasonic LUMIX GX8 also looks like a good choice. If I do give it a try, I'll be sure to share my results.
Sorry for the somewhat offtopic responses :-) br ... (show quote)


Why don't you start a new topic that is specific to your needs? This thread is not that thread.

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Apr 21, 2017 08:11:22   #
tgreenhaw
 
Peterff wrote:
Why don't you start a new topic that is specific to your needs? This thread is not that thread.


You are right - my apologies.

I put a mirror lens on a mirrorless camera and now I'm stuck in an alternate reality or time loop or something...

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Apr 21, 2017 13:29:39   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
tgreenhaw wrote:
You are right - my apologies.

I put a mirror lens on a mirrorless camera and now I'm stuck in an alternate reality or time loop or something...


You should take some time out and reflect upon that thought....

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