Adobe and Raw: I just purchased the Mark iv Canon and it seems Adobe Raw does not value CS6. So you must go thru Canon RAW opening software. I assume Adobe CC will open the Canon Mark...

Rickyb

I just purchased the Mark iv Canon and it seems Adobe Raw does not value CS6. So you must go thru Canon RAW opening software. I assume Adobe CC will open the Canon Mark IV with dng and no Canon Software needed. Just another score for Adobe! Believe me Adobe will continue forever only in its own CLOUD. Any comments? All are welcome.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

CS6? It's abandonware. Adobe only upgrades ACR for current versions of their software.

Time to subscribe, I'm afraid. OR, get Affinity Photo from Serif. It's under 50 bucks and runs the same on Macs and Windows.

It usually takes AT LEAST one calendar quarter for Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, and others to add support for new cameras to their currently shipping versions of their OS or applications.

Ergo, there is NO POINT in being an "early adopter" of new cameras. I learned years ago to let the over-enthusiastic folks take the arrows-in-the-back of bad workflow, firmware bugs, and design flaws. By the time I buy, those things are mostly taken care of.

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

Ricky, it's the marketing philosophy of Adobe. Force everyone with new cameras to subscribe. In doing so, they abandon those who, with due diligence purchased their software and then get abandoned by the company.
--Bob

Rickyb wrote:

I just purchased the Mark iv Canon and it seems Adobe Raw does not value CS6. So you must go thru Canon RAW opening software. I assume Adobe CC will open the Canon Mark IV with dng and no Canon Software needed. Just another score for Adobe! Believe me Adobe will continue forever only in its own CLOUD. Any comments? All are welcome.

DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area

burkphoto wrote:

CS6? It's abandonware. Adobe only upgrades ACR for... (show quote)

I agree with you completely, Bill. Plus, if one waits, you'll sometimes enjoy a price drop. By the way, I just ran across an interesting free plug-in for Chrome that shows the price history of an item you're looking at on Amazon. It's called Keepa. If you used it, you could see, for example, that the price for a Canon 5ds just dropped from $3,499 to $2,699, which sort of reinforces my original point.

Bill_de Loc: US

The DNG converter is free and should allow you to use your CS6.

I continue to use CS5

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Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Rickyb wrote:

I just purchased the Mark iv Canon and it seems Adobe Raw does not value CS6. So you must go thru Canon RAW opening software. I assume Adobe CC will open the Canon Mark IV with dng and no Canon Software needed. Just another score for Adobe! Believe me Adobe will continue forever only in its own CLOUD. Any comments? All are welcome.

The Canon 5D IV has capabilities that Adobe does not support yet, but Canon DPP does. You can then export directly to Photoshop. CS6 is destined for the trash heap and will steadily lose support for new technologies. Go get Adobe CC, it is a good value option, or use Canon DPP to process raw files. DNG loses a lot of information that may be useful to you.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

Peterff wrote:

The Canon 5D IV has capabilities that Adobe does not support yet, but Canon DPP does. You can then export directly to Photoshop. CS6 is destined for the trash heap and will steadily lose support for new technologies. Go get Adobe CC, it is a good value option, or use Canon DPP to process raw files. DNG loses a lot of information that may be useful to you.

Exactly. DPP produces lower noise from Canon raw images than Adobe's ACR, and you can export directly into Photoshop for Pixel level editing. Note that your in-camera scene settings (contrast, sharpness, saturation...) do affect the raw conversion in DPP, while they do not affect ACR.

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

burkphoto wrote:

...It usually takes AT LEAST one calendar quarter for Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, and others to add support for new cameras to their currently shipping versions of their OS or applications...

DNG reputedly gets updated sooner, but there's still a delay. Your basic point remains the same.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

DirtFarmer wrote:

DNG reputedly gets updated sooner, but there's still a delay. Your basic point remains the same.

DNG, or tools that create/use DNG. Isn't DNG supposed to be stable and published format?

Bill_de Loc: US

Peterff wrote:

DNG, or tools that create/use DNG. Isn't DNG supposed to be stable and published format?

The DNG is stable. The camera manufacturer's software is not. DNG has to be updated to recognize changes in new software.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Bill_de wrote:

The DNG is stable. The camera manufacturer's software is not. DNG has to be updated to recognize changes in new software.

But DNG is a stable published format and has been submitted to be a formal standard. It is still proprietary, so Adobe can change it at any time, but that would have significant implications. Are you sure that it is DNG that you are talking about or could it be Adobe Camera Raw? DNG cannot be both stable and need to be updated at the same time. ACR or other tools can be updated while still keeping DNG stable. Does anyone update the JPEG standard that has become ubiquitous, other than the responsible standards body? There is more than one JPEG standard, but only one has been so widely adopted.

Bill_de Loc: US

Peterff wrote:

But DNG is a stable published format and has been ... (show quote)

DNG (added- 'converter') takes the proprietary raw formats from other manufacturers and converts them to the DNG standard. So basically it has to change the conversion algorithms in order to have a stable output.

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Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Bill_de wrote:

DNG takes the proprietary raw formats from other manufacturers and converts them to the DNG standard. So basically it has to change the conversion algorithms in order to have a stable output.

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No. DNG does not do that. DNG is a format, it does not actually DO anything. A DNG converter may do that, but you are confusing image formats with tools that manipulate them. http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/adobe-dng-converter.html

Please do a little research before posting definitive statements, especially erroneous ones.

Adobe DNG and Adobe DNG converter are not the same thing. Related for sure, but one is a format and the other is a tool.

Bill_de Loc: US

Peterff wrote:

No. DNG does not do that. DNG is a format, it does not actually DO anything. A DNG converter may do that, but you are confusing image formats with tools that manipulates them. http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/adobe-dng-converter.html

The first line from the page you provided the link for:

"The Adobe DNG Converter enables you to easily convert camera-specific raw files from supported cameras to a more universal DNG raw file"

Got it.

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DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX

I use PSCC/ACR and LRCC. I never convert my raw files to DNG files. It's not necessary to do so. I don't think a DNG is inferior but I just don't spend time in the conversion.