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Mar 27, 2017 11:18:54   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
even then, 12 fps might not capture it...


True of course, but you'll have a better shot at it then if you're​ shooting at 5 fps.

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Mar 27, 2017 11:30:05   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
mwsilvers wrote:
True of course, but you'll have a better shot at it then if you're​ shooting at 5 fps.


Nahh, I'll use pro capture on my EM1 if I need to hit that "moment". It's where the camera selects a certain number of frames before and after the shutter is depressed (mine is set at 10 before/after). I just need to be close and the 15fps "should" capture the rest.

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Mar 27, 2017 11:33:02   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
catchlight.. wrote:
If you are a professional and getting paid big bucks then yes, 12fps is an advantage...a bit silly at a little league game...

A machine gun at a shooting gallery vs a pistol at a war front... well rounded camera is always a better choice.




My D750 can shoot over 6 fps, so I'm not going to spend $2,000 more for a D500 that shoots three more fps.

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Mar 27, 2017 11:36:56   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
catchlight.. wrote:
Well said...

Too many with big dollar sports cameras defend the picture quality as equal or better than camera's like the 810, 5D4 or 5DSR.

There are compromises to speed so if you need to burst at 12fps go for it but don't try to compare quality like you have an advantage over other more well rounded bodies.

Buffer and burst have a price.


Not sure anyone is saying the picture quality from sports oriented cameras is better than from the best high resolution cameras from Canon, Nikon, or SONY. I think the point that some have made is that the camera is just a tool. In the right hands a sports oriented camera can take excellent portraits and landscapes, and in a less talented set of hands the best high resolution cameras around can give you mediocre results. Both cameras have the potential to excel in the medium for which they were designed. Whether they do depends on who is using them.

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Mar 27, 2017 12:27:47   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
droszel wrote:
I've noted that some photographers seem to distinguish camera models based upon how suitable a particular model is for, say, landscapes vs sporting events. What features make a particular model better for one over the other?


To use your two examples... sports and landscape photography:

A landscape photographer is more likely to use a wide angle lens and may want to make large prints from their images. The camera's auto focus system doesn't need to be high performance because the subjects ain't going anywhere and you can usually shoot landscapes at a pretty relaxed pace. Size and weight aren't too big a concern since wide angle lenses aren't large and landscape photographers might tend to use tripods and spend some time setting up each shot. A landscape photographer might not use or need an optical viewfinder. With digital, they might even use a tethered tablet computer to compose their images. All this suggests using a full frame or possibly even medium format digital camera.

A sports photographer is more likely to need large, powerful telephoto lenses and most of the time isn't likely to make really huge prints. The camera's AF system must be able to quickly acquire and track moving subjects. Timing is critical and things happen in a split second. The photographer may need to be able to quickly change location, so might be less inclined to use a tripod, so more hand-holdable gear might be important. There are sports shooting techniques using tripods... but there also are venues that don't allow tripods for safety reasons. A sports photographer will very likely need some sort of optical viewfinder and, aside from some specialized types of shots, will probably be unable to rely upon LCD screens or tethered/remote viewing options. All this suggests a crop sensor DSLR might be preferable.

Other types of photography have other requirements that can make certain features a camera (and lens/accessory system) more or less important. For example, a travel photographer might really need to be concerned about size, weight, portability and versatility of their gear. A wedding or portrait photographer might need a kit that works especially well with lighting. Or someone specializing in macro and close-up work might look for a kit similar to what a landscape photographer does, but with an added requirement for some specialized types of lighting.

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Mar 27, 2017 12:36:33   #
BlackRipleyDog
 
This ongoing fascination with frame rates undercuts the whole reason for practicing photography in the first place. Between the time when you look through the viewfinder and press the shutter, you are multi-tasking in milliseconds composing, zooming, focusing (pre-AF days), estimating exposure and picking the right moment to pull the trigger. At some point all this technical prowess is going to remove us from the world of the artist and plop us back down as an equipment operator and prevent you from becoming better visionaries.

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Mar 27, 2017 12:48:50   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
BlackRipleyDog wrote:
This ongoing fascination with frame rates undercuts the whole reason for practicing photography in the first place. Between the time when you look through the viewfinder and press the shutter, you are multi-tasking in milliseconds composing, zooming, focusing (pre-AF days), estimating exposure and picking the right moment to pull the trigger. At some point all this technical prowess is going to remove us from the world of the artist and plop us back down as an equipment operator and prevent you from becoming better visionaries.
This ongoing fascination with frame rates undercut... (show quote)


...and with this comment you reduce all sports photographers to non-photographers and just mechanics. Why would you do that? Maybe the "...fascination with frame rates..." applies to a few folks with bux to spare, but not so the dedicated fast-mover photographer. Hahaha...I think I'm insulted!

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Mar 27, 2017 12:49:16   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
droszel wrote:
I've noted that some photographers seem to distinguish camera models based upon how suitable a particular model is for, say, landscapes vs sporting events. What features make a particular model better for one over the other?


I am just wondering why anyone would really want to differentiate cameras to either type of shooting be it landscapes or otherwise. I could see why you would choose certain lenses for each type but the camera is still a camera even when it is digital. My old Bronica SQA or even my Canon 35 mm made great shots no matter what the subject was. My current Nikons do the same. I do plan to have my D5200 turned into infrared. So in this case I really understand that the D5200 could be listed as different but in reality it too will be just another tool in my arsenal. I find your arsenal of cameras really do not need a different title as in landscape vs sports. The camera and lens is universal the photographer may not be universal. For my work it depends on what I am shooting today as to what lens I use. As for the body I use the Nikon D7200 because it can shoot in low light. I have two of the Nikon D7200 for body's. On my way up to the D7200 I had a D5200 I used to use like I do my D7200. Now the D5200 gathers dust and was replaced by another D7200 only because I accidentally hit a wrong button on my D7200 which suddenly made it back to a factory reset. I found trying to remember all the knobs and button on the D5200 in a need my camera now activity meant I should have the same for back up as I did for main camera.
I contend that it is not the camera that needs a title. The photographer using the camera could use the title of sports v/s landscape v/s people photographer.

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Mar 27, 2017 12:52:58   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
drklrd wrote:
I am just wondering why anyone would really want to differentiate cameras to either type of shooting be it landscapes or otherwise. I could see why you would choose certain lenses for each type but the camera is still a camera even when it is digital. My old Bronica SQA or even my Canon 35 mm made great shots no matter what the subject was. My current Nikons do the same. I do plan to have my D5200 turned into infrared. So in this case I really understand that the D5200 could be listed as different but in reality it too will be just another tool in my arsenal. I find your arsenal of cameras really do not need a different title as in landscape vs sports. The camera and lens is universal the photographer may not be universal. For my work it depends on what I am shooting today as to what lens I use. As for the body I use the Nikon D7200 because it can shoot in low light. I have two of the Nikon D7200 for body's. On my way up to the D7200 I had a D5200 I used to use like I do my D7200. Now the D5200 gathers dust and was replaced by another D7200 only because I accidentally hit a wrong button on my D7200 which suddenly made it back to a factory reset. I found trying to remember all the knobs and button on the D5200 in a need my camera now activity meant I should have the same for back up as I did for main camera.
I contend that it is not the camera that needs a title. The photographer using the camera could use the title of sports v/s landscape v/s people photographer.
I am just wondering why anyone would really want t... (show quote)


What I have is a small SD card into which I export my settings, if the camera is set back to factory default I just insert the card and import my settings

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Mar 27, 2017 12:58:59   #
BlackRipleyDog
 
chasgroh wrote:
...and with this comment you reduce all sports photographers to non-photographers and just mechanics. Why would you do that? Maybe the "...fascination with frame rates..." applies to a few folks with bux to spare, but not so the dedicated fast-mover photographer. Hahaha...I think I'm insulted!


Oh, don't be. As long as you recognize the danger and stay true to the craft. Don't be seduced by the tech. Use it to your advantage, yes but don't let it take over.

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Mar 27, 2017 13:16:42   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
mborn wrote:
What I have is a small SD card into which I export my settings, if the camera is set back to factory default I just insert the card and import my settings


I know now that it can be done, but there are those times even a seasoned pro like myself can get a little flustered when dumb things happen. At that time I was in on site camera edit and flipping through the buttons rapidly Which is another reason why I set my second SD card to backup. If you delete on the first card it does not delete on the second card. I do this a lot and the warnings I have heard on UHH about deleting on the fly have not been followed by me. Thanks for the remind I do need to set up an CD card for this. When busy we forget.

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Mar 27, 2017 14:25:07   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Thomas902 wrote:
.... even a consumer grade camera can shoot multiple frames to be rendered in HDR (high dynamic range software) which make the D810 look bad, very bad... with it's plugged shadows...


The D810 has the HDR feature as well, in camera as well as the ability to bracket to be processed later.

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Mar 27, 2017 22:59:01   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
BlackRipleyDog wrote:
To illustrate your point I recently shot a snowmobile race with the D800 and a 70-300 VR AF-S 3.5-5.6. The first image is out of the camera and the second is the image cropped in post. The third is a tighter crop on the driver's themselves. Note: No sharpening was applied.

What the D800 lacks in high frame rates and buffering it more than makes up in resolution. It is my all around workhorse. It just depends on whether you need an AR-15 or a select fire M-16 to do the job. The D500 is phenomenal from all accounts though.

The other thing is that modern still cameras are approaching the frame rate of video. So you might as well shoot in video and then grab a frame that works. Slower frame rates force you to be a little more judicious in your shooting discipline. I shoot primarily in Single mode and I decide when to hit the shutter release.
To illustrate your point I recently shot a snowmob... (show quote)


You rock! Thanks!

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Mar 27, 2017 23:06:10   #
BlackRipleyDog
 
brucewells wrote:
You rock! Thanks!

You are most welcome.

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Mar 28, 2017 01:25:03   #
boomer826 Loc: Florida gulf coast
 
cthahn wrote:
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