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Mar 26, 2017 08:52:29   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
DRG777 wrote:
I always carry 2 batteries for any camera so there is a backup for any reason. It seems that after a couple years batteries just go bad and I get a replacement. I never store a battery in the camera if I don't expect to use it for a few weeks or months, and I try not to store them with a full charge on. I will be needing my cameras soon and I got everything out for a checkover and to charge the batteries. Neither of the batteries for my Canon 6D would work. It seemed odd that both would be bad, so I worried that maybe the camera was broken. I had time so I went online and ordered an STK battery (good price, good reviews). When it arrived (2 days), after some charge time, the camera worked fine. That was a relief. Of the 2 bad batteries, one of them was a few years old, so that was not a big deal (brand - Power2000). The other one though, was only a year old or less (brand - Kastar). I have had Cannon brand batteries too, but they are not immune to this issue and cost many times more than others. What's your experience with batteries?
I always carry 2 batteries for any camera so there... (show quote)


I have batteries for my 10D that are about 13 years old or so that still work. I will say they do not last as long and seem to lose the charge quicker than before. If they ever go dead they will be disposed of. My 7D batteries which are about 6 years old seem to be doing just fine. I do no special treatment of them but use them to about 10% left then recharge.
So to me it does seem odd that such relatively new batteries well taken care of are failing so quickly. I would not know a solution but that they do seem to not be working properly.

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Mar 26, 2017 08:55:06   #
Ranjan Loc: Currently Cyber-Nation!
 
Never have been lucky with third-party batteries and inkjet cartridges. :-(

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Mar 26, 2017 08:57:49   #
DMGill Loc: Colorado
 
Here is an excellent article on lithium ion batteries and variables that effect their life span. http://www.batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

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Mar 26, 2017 08:58:03   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
No camera company makes batteries. They buy them from the various makers. Is there any way to find out who makes the batteries fior Nikon, Canon--or any other camera maker. A fair number of other camera parts and pieces are also made by vendors.

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Mar 26, 2017 09:00:57   #
Ranjan Loc: Currently Cyber-Nation!
 
Many/most/All (?) cameras and laptops etc when idle use a tiny amount to keep the internal battery charged; over a period of time the drain adds up. The built-in battery maintains the date, time, menu options and other memory items and very slowly over an extended period of time (months?) draws upon the bigger battery.

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Mar 26, 2017 09:06:37   #
Ranjan Loc: Currently Cyber-Nation!
 
Some of the higher-end cameras (and pads and laptops etc) show the #of charge cycles or battery state in addition to the current charge state (leds, graphs, actual numbers etc). At the other end are ofcourse cameras which do not accurately show the residual charge and for that matter so does the fuel gauge on some cars :-(

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Mar 26, 2017 09:37:27   #
DRG777 Loc: Metro Detroit
 
The batteries I am referring to are for Canon (LP-E6). I have also had a Nikon for about 2 years and no issues with those batteries yet.

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Many/most/All (?) cameras and laptops etc when idle use a tiny amount to keep the internal battery charged; over a period of time the drain adds up. The built-in battery maintains the date, time, menu options and other memory items and very slowly over an extended period of time (months?) draws upon the bigger battery.


As I said in the OP, I do not store the batteries in the camera, so this does not apply.

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Mar 26, 2017 09:44:09   #
RCJets Loc: Virginia
 
DRG777 wrote:
I always carry 2 batteries for any camera so there is a backup for any reason. It seems that after a couple years batteries just go bad and I get a replacement. I never store a battery in the camera if I don't expect to use it for a few weeks or months, and I try not to store them with a full charge on. I will be needing my cameras soon and I got everything out for a checkover and to charge the batteries. Neither of the batteries for my Canon 6D would work. It seemed odd that both would be bad, so I worried that maybe the camera was broken. I had time so I went online and ordered an STK battery (good price, good reviews). When it arrived (2 days), after some charge time, the camera worked fine. That was a relief. Of the 2 bad batteries, one of them was a few years old, so that was not a big deal (brand - Power2000). The other one though, was only a year old or less (brand - Kastar). I have had Cannon brand batteries too, but they are not immune to this issue and cost many times more than others. What's your experience with batteries?
I always carry 2 batteries for any camera so there... (show quote)


The batteries we use in our cameras use Lithium chemistry. I'm not sure if they are all the same, but there are several types of Lithium cells. See what yours is and do a check on Google for any precautions applicable to your type. Some should not be left for any period of time with a full charge. Some can be ruined if fully discharged. Allowing them to get too hot such as leaving them in a hot car or in the sun, can possibility cause them to self ignite. We have all seen the videos on the news of a lap top catching on fire sitting on a couch, and a cell phone igniting in a guys pocket while on a plane. I'm just saying don't take these for granted. They do self discharge, but at a slow rate. Left too long, and they may not come back.

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Mar 26, 2017 09:56:57   #
cthahn
 
Keep your batteries fully charged. Where do you get the idea to leave them partially charged.

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Mar 26, 2017 10:10:38   #
StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada
 
DRG777 wrote:
I always carry 2 batteries for any camera so there is a backup for any reason. It seems that after a couple years batteries just go bad and I get a replacement. I never store a battery in the camera if I don't expect to use it for a few weeks or months, and I try not to store them with a full charge on. I will be needing my cameras soon and I got everything out for a checkover and to charge the batteries. Neither of the batteries for my Canon 6D would work. It seemed odd that both would be bad, so I worried that maybe the camera was broken. I had time so I went online and ordered an STK battery (good price, good reviews). When it arrived (2 days), after some charge time, the camera worked fine. That was a relief. Of the 2 bad batteries, one of them was a few years old, so that was not a big deal (brand - Power2000). The other one though, was only a year old or less (brand - Kastar). I have had Cannon brand batteries too, but they are not immune to this issue and cost many times more than others. What's your experience with batteries?
I always carry 2 batteries for any camera so there... (show quote)


Hi,
Lithium batteries need special treatment while charging and they do not like being fully discharged. The camera will turn off when the battery voltage drops below the design minimum - and a charger will not start charging when the voltage is too low.

In some cases it is possible to bring them back to life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DVzscqaYYo

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Mar 26, 2017 10:30:56   #
RCJets Loc: Virginia
 
RCJets wrote:
The batteries we use in our cameras use Lithium chemistry. I'm not sure if they are all the same, but there are several types of Lithium cells. See what yours is and do a check on Google for any precautions applicable to your type. Some should not be left for any period of time with a full charge. Some can be ruined if fully discharged. Allowing them to get too hot such as leaving them in a hot car or in the sun, can possibility cause them to self ignite. We have all seen the videos on the news of a lap top catching on fire sitting on a couch, and a cell phone igniting in a guys pocket while on a plane. I'm just saying don't take these for granted. They do self discharge, but at a slow rate. Left too long, and they may not come back.
The batteries we use in our cameras use Lithium ch... (show quote)


The following article goes into Lo-Io cells in depth. For the most part, they are one of the safest systems out there, but there are concerns. At the end of this article is a comment section. Read the one by Erik Boyer concerning leaving them in a fully charged state.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/archive/lithium_ion_safety_concerns

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Mar 26, 2017 10:36:37   #
agillot
 
the original AA or AAA rechargeable battery used to go dead in about a month , the newer ones hold their charge for a long time , the non rechargeable much longer .

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Mar 26, 2017 10:55:19   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
StanRP wrote:
Hi,
Lithium batteries need special treatment while charging and they do not like being fully discharged. The camera will turn off when the battery voltage drops below the design minimum - and a charger will not start charging when the voltage is too low.

In some cases it is possible to bring them back to life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DVzscqaYYo

Never had that problem with Canon batteries in the 10 years I have been using them. They always get fully discharged while I'm using the camera, each day, every day. The Canon-supplied charger always charges them. Been doing this for 10 years with batteries and cameras supplied with Canon XSi, T2i, and T6s.

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Mar 26, 2017 11:16:33   #
speakdolphin
 
I too have had the same experience I believe one of the scanners the TSA is using kills batteries. I just upon arrival re-charge all my batteries and prepare for the shoot

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Mar 26, 2017 11:20:56   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
I put a tab on the end of the battery with a number and rotate my batteries. I have a 5D IV and a 7D II and use the same battery in both and use 6 batteries. All Canon, I had a non canon some years ago and found it had a shorter life but worked fine.

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