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trc Loc: Logan, OH

I saw on UHH not too long ago - maybe a week or two, I am thinking, where someone posted a shot of a picture of flame on a maroon colored looking liquid in a clear wine type glass, and then I think there was a link that told how to do it - what & how was used to make the flame, etc. It may have had some title involving a a candle, but maybe not!

The flame in the picture/image was actually split - showing like two flames coming from the surface of the liquid in the glass. I have looked and searched, but cannot find the link. I am grasping at straws, but was hoping someone could remember what I am talking about and the post link. My seraching has been unsuccessful, so I have come down to asking everyone if you know what I am talking about. I belong to a local photography club and that is what they said our 'assignment' was for tonight's meeting. Thanks very much.

Best Regards,
Tom Carlson - Tom
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dck22

This is what you are looking for
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-446159-1.html

lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA

trc wrote:

I saw on UHH not too long ago - maybe a week or tw... (show quote)

Something like this from Pinterest? I would guess the "liquid" contains Ethanol ("Alcohol"). Brandy, Liqueur, something with a high % of alcohol. Yellow as apposed to blue color flame?

trc Loc: Logan, OH

dck22 wrote:

This is what you are looking for
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-446159-1.html

dck,

Thank you sooooo much! This is exactly what I remember seeing, but could not for the life of me find it on UHH search. I guess I just wasn't putting in the correct search criteria. I appreciate it a great deal that you read and replied to my posted request. Thank you once again very, very much.

I actually sent the original photographer (Bill Nourse) a PM asking him a few questions, one of which was to see how he got the alcohol to stay on top of the soy sauce/water mixture so it would burn. It seems to me that it would just mix with the water, unless the densities of the two liquids are that much different, like oil and water. Perhaps soy sauce is quite oily - I have no idea! Thanks again.

Best Regards,
Tom

trc Loc: Logan, OH

lamiaceae wrote:

Something like this from Pinterest? I would guess the "liquid" contains Ethanol ("Alcohol"). Brandy, Liqueur, something with a high % of alcohol. Yellow as apposed to blue color flame?

Mike,

Thank you, also, for reading and responding to my inquiry about the flame in the glass. My search just didn't have the correct information I guess. That picture/shot is exactly what I was looking for and I actually sent a PM to the original photographer (Bill Nourse - got his name from the link dck22 sent in his reply) on UHH asking him some questions. Thank you again.

Best Regards,
Tom

lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA

trc wrote:

Mike,

Thank you, also, for reading and responding to my inquiry about the flame in the glass. My search just didn't have the correct information I guess. That picture/shot is exactly what I was looking for and I actually sent a PM to the original photographer (Bill Nourse - got his name from the link dck22 sent in his reply) on UHH asking him some questions. Thank you again.

Best Regards,
Tom

Both those shots are cool. dck22's http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-446159-1.html is more of what I would expect. Ethanol and Methanol burn with a blue flame (from way too many Chemistry classes). Not sure how the one I googled had an amber flame. Lighting, Photoshop?

OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR

Thanks to everyone who responded. I 'm planning an Easter flame shoot. (Has to do with sacrificing those pesky Peeps.)

alby Loc: very eastern pa.

OddJobber wrote:

Thanks to everyone who responded. I 'm planning an Easter flame shoot. (Has to do with sacrificing those pesky Peeps.)

OH NO!!!! not the peeps.... won't they just melt???

OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR

alby wrote:

OH NO!!!! not the peeps.... won't they just melt???

No! Ever roast marshmallows over a fire? There's a point at which they instantly go from golden to up in flames. And even faster if you prime them with a few drops of lighter fluid.

...but I'm wandering off topic now.

bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.

Im an animal rights activist PETA ( people eating tasty animals) and I just CANT let you hurt a peep... so for the sake of the peeps, please send them to me, I'll take really GOOD care of them.

billnourse Loc: Bloomfield, NM

The photo was mine. The alcohol burns different colors depending on the oxygen content of the fire triangle. This flame started out blue, and you can still see the blue at the very bottom of the flame, but it then changed to orange at the top. Here is a photo of how the shot was set up. Shot was done with almost no ambient light. On the monitor on the floor you can see what the shot looked like before adding the flame.

trc Loc: Logan, OH

billnourse wrote:

The photo was mine. The alcohol burns different colors depending on the oxygen content of the fire triangle. This flame started out blue, and you can still see the blue at the very bottom of the flame, but it then changed to orange at the top. Here is a photo of how the shot was set up. Shot was done with almost no ambient light. On the monitor on the floor you can see what the shot looked like before adding the flame.

Bill,

Thank you for such an in-depth look at your setup. Yes, indeed, you certainly did have a 'production' developed for this flame shoot! Quite amazing and much more than just a snapshot! What is the liquid (alcohol?) in the glass setting on your stool on camera right? Thanks again.

Best Regards,
Tom

billnourse Loc: Bloomfield, NM

Liquid is water and soy sauce same as in the wine glass. Alcohol was added right before the shot.

Bill

trc Loc: Logan, OH

billnourse wrote:

Liquid is water and soy sauce same as in the wine glass. Alcohol was added right before the shot.

Bill

Thank you, Bill.

Tom

Ron SS Loc: Silver Spring, MD

lamiaceae wrote:

Ethanol and Methanol burn with a blue flame (from way too many Chemistry classes). Not sure how the one I googled had an amber flame. Lighting, Photoshop?

Methanol (one carbon alcohol - 'wood' alcohol) will burn mostly blue when burning with enough air (oxygen). Ethanol (two carbon 'drinking' alcohol) will burn blue but with less air mixing in will not burn as cleanly and with more carbon will produce some soot, which 'burns' orange.
In a taller glass with the alcohol level further below the rim, there will be not as good air mixing and a more of an orange flame. Also with more rapid evaporation of the alcohol, especially after it heats up, there will be more alcohol vapors produced so air mixing may not be sufficient to burn as cleanly,. Higher alcohol vapor to air ratio burns more orange.

Gently pour in the alcohol to help it not mix in. Can also try gently heated alcohol for increased vapor evaporation rate, but careful not to ignite it.

Good photos. Be careful.