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Feb 7, 2017 22:38:44   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
boberic wrote:
This house was professionally staged, and photographed by a pro, with high end gear. No casual photographer could get this kind of result. It wouldn't surprise me that the total cost was north of 100 grand


For the house or the photos?

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Feb 8, 2017 00:41:05   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Rloren wrote:
I am a newbie and have recently been doing a lot of reading and research on real estate photography. I picked three houses from the for sale listings just to compare the photographs

The first house was a real dump..$39,900.00. You could tell the photographer just ran in shot automatic and ran out.

The second house was about $300,000.00. There were some automatic shots but a lot more care was taken in the interior to balance the lighting. I would probably rate it as..really good photos.

The third house was about 4 million dollars...ouch...The photos were at a whole new level, stunning, as close to perfection as one could possibly get with perfect soft light balance in each room.

My question is: Can you get close to perfection with just HDR and then go to Photoshop? My guess is the photographer used a lot of back lighting to balance each room perfectly. What do you think? Thanks....
I am a newbie and have recently been doing a lot o... (show quote)

HDR works in a pinch, but does not compare to some good lighting!!

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Feb 8, 2017 03:44:48   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
I am a full time real estate and architectural photographer. In a word, I only use HDR rarely and never with a surreal punch. If you are under the impression that RE photography is easy I can assure you it isn't. I have been in the Real Estate business for almost 40 years and still licensed, I know the business extremely well from an ownership viewpoint. While I am an owner, I only do RE and Architectural photography and others run the company. If you are exceptional you can do well if you stick with it and learn your craft. I charge a hefty fee for my services because the business is expensive, for me, considering all the equipment I have invested in. Your local market will also determine your value. Many real estate agents do their own shooting as you stated in your quote about substandard images. That's just the nature of some agents. Lynda.com has a six part real estate photography course presented by Scott Hargis and I recommend it highly. He also covers the business aspect of real estate photography. Mike Kelly is another RE photographer to research and he has a spectrum of courses. Mike does a lot of light painting and he is very high-end. I'm not trying to discourage you but you need to know what you are getting involved in and you need to do your homework. I love the business and I'm glad I am established with the 30 or so agents I shoot for. It's a fill genre as you will need other business until you are established. I also suggest that you prepare a business plan so you can determine your cost of doing business and what you have to have to make in order to achieve your goals. I do suggest that you practice skill development before you start approaching agents. Don't show them crappy work – they have long memories. Your marketing will not only require an excellent portfolio but you will have to be prepared to use a lot of shoe leather seeing agents face-to-face because they don't respond to emails or phone calls. Keep in mind that they don't get paid until a listing has been closed and funded and you are asking them to pay you before the fact and they are tight–tight–tight. You can private message me with specific questions and I will respond as quickly as I can. Good luck.
Rloren wrote:
I am a newbie and have recently been doing a lot of reading and research on real estate photography. I picked three houses from the for sale listings just to compare the photographs

The first house was a real dump..$39,900.00. You could tell the photographer just ran in shot automatic and ran out.

The second house was about $300,000.00. There were some automatic shots but a lot more care was taken in the interior to balance the lighting. I would probably rate it as..really good photos.

The third house was about 4 million dollars...ouch...The photos were at a whole new level, stunning, as close to perfection as one could possibly get with perfect soft light balance in each room.

My question is: Can you get close to perfection with just HDR and then go to Photoshop? My guess is the photographer used a lot of back lighting to balance each room perfectly. What do you think? Thanks....
I am a newbie and have recently been doing a lot o... (show quote)

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Feb 8, 2017 06:46:58   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Rloren wrote:
I am a newbie and have recently been doing a lot of reading and research on real estate photography. I picked three houses from the for sale listings just to compare the photographs

The first house was a real dump..$39,900.00. You could tell the photographer just ran in shot automatic and ran out.

The second house was about $300,000.00. There were some automatic shots but a lot more care was taken in the interior to balance the lighting. I would probably rate it as..really good photos.

The third house was about 4 million dollars...ouch...The photos were at a whole new level, stunning, as close to perfection as one could possibly get with perfect soft light balance in each room.

My question is: Can you get close to perfection with just HDR and then go to Photoshop? My guess is the photographer used a lot of back lighting to balance each room perfectly. What do you think? Thanks....
I am a newbie and have recently been doing a lot o... (show quote)


A simple solution for rooms showing windows, I use manual metering and meter the outside (go to window and aim your camera outside), (make sure your shutter speed is low enough for your flash, most cases 1/250 sec. or slower) then back up to show the whole room, do not change your camera settings but turn on your flash to TTL and aim flash up and behind you, this simple approach will give you balanced soft light in the room and a perfectly exposed exterior view through the window. Also make sure your ISO is set so that you will include interior detail, play with this until you get that perfect balance. That's why digital is so nice, you can change settings and instantly see your results. By the way, that 4 million dollar house was probably shot by a pro using gads of equipment you can only dream about owning.

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Feb 8, 2017 07:17:41   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
boberic wrote:
This house was professionally staged, and photographed by a pro, with high end gear. No casual photographer could get this kind of result. It wouldn't surprise me that the total cost was north of 100 grand

I recognize much of the furnishings, highly likely they were all rented for the shoot.

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Feb 8, 2017 07:20:45   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
TheDman wrote:
For the house or the photos?

You can't be serious. 100k for the garage maybe, but that's probably low. But it's high for the cost of the shoot, too, even with staging.

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Feb 8, 2017 07:35:29   #
SonyBug
 
Rloren wrote:
Thanks a lot for your input. I should have posted the link in my original post. That's what I was looking for about HDR. OK..last resort, get the lighting right.! I'm digesting everything here..Thank you...


Actually, it looks to me like these were shot with an overcast day outside. (Lack of strong shadows) If you tripod your camera and shoot slowly (maybe 1 sec or so) you should get the even light effect that I see here. I agree with those posters who comment on the strong perspective. Too much maybe. Just because you have a 14-28 lens, does not make it appropriate every time.

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Feb 8, 2017 08:05:30   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
Rloren wrote:
I am a newbie and have recently been doing a lot of reading and research on real estate photography. I picked three houses from the for sale listings just to compare the photographs

The first house was a real dump..$39,900.00. You could tell the photographer just ran in shot automatic and ran out.

The second house was about $300,000.00. There were some automatic shots but a lot more care was taken in the interior to balance the lighting. I would probably rate it as..really good photos.

The third house was about 4 million dollars...ouch...The photos were at a whole new level, stunning, as close to perfection as one could possibly get with perfect soft light balance in each room.

My question is: Can you get close to perfection with just HDR and then go to Photoshop? My guess is the photographer used a lot of back lighting to balance each room perfectly. What do you think? Thanks....
I am a newbie and have recently been doing a lot o... (show quote)


First of all, you don't want to misrepresent a house, on the other hand, you do want to present the house at it's best. I try not to shoot houses or property on the west coast of Florida that are selling for less than $200k. First, 50k - 100k house owners are NOT going to want to pay what I charge for photography and it takes a lot more time to get them cleaned up and set for photography. Having said that, every market is different. I wouldn't Photoshop any photos though. I use Lightroom and I also do HDR.

Here is the site of Doyle Terry (a real estate photographer in southern California, but he shoots all over the world). http://www.photosofmylisting.com/
He is who I use for inspiration and to get ideas. And, he has clients that fly him over to Europe and Asia to shoot their mansions.

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Feb 8, 2017 08:10:35   #
cthahn
 
Just how do you know the photographs were shot on automatic or manual?

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Feb 8, 2017 08:14:51   #
FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA
 
DavidPine wrote:
I am a full time real estate and architectural photographer. In a word, I only use HDR rarely and never with a surreal punch. If you are under the impression that RE photography is easy I can assure you it isn't. I have been in the Real Estate business for almost 40 years and still licensed, I know the business extremely well from an ownership viewpoint. While I am an owner, I only do RE and Architectural photography and others run the company. If you are exceptional you can do well if you stick with it and learn your craft. I charge a hefty fee for my services because the business is expensive, for me, considering all the equipment I have invested in. Your local market will also determine your value. Many real estate agents do their own shooting as you stated in your quote about substandard images. That's just the nature of some agents. Lynda.com has a six part real estate photography course presented by Scott Hargis and I recommend it highly. He also covers the business aspect of real estate photography. Mike Kelly is another RE photographer to research and he has a spectrum of courses. Mike does a lot of light painting and he is very high-end. I'm not trying to discourage you but you need to know what you are getting involved in and you need to do your homework. I love the business and I'm glad I am established with the 30 or so agents I shoot for. It's a fill genre as you will need other business until you are established. I also suggest that you prepare a business plan so you can determine your cost of doing business and what you have to have to make in order to achieve your goals. I do suggest that you practice skill development before you start approaching agents. Don't show them crappy work – they have long memories. Your marketing will not only require an excellent portfolio but you will have to be prepared to use a lot of shoe leather seeing agents face-to-face because they don't respond to emails or phone calls. Keep in mind that they don't get paid until a listing has been closed and funded and you are asking them to pay you before the fact and they are tight–tight–tight. You can private message me with specific questions and I will respond as quickly as I can. Good luck.
I am a full time real estate and architectural pho... (show quote)

David Pine, what you wrote is a real eye-opener. I certainly won't be doing this anytime soon. Certainly not at my age. I suppose if I were 40 years younger, I might consider this a career.

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Feb 8, 2017 09:49:26   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Trying to present a product, in this case a house, in a manner that isn't quite reality is disingenuous. Using your best exposure techniques to capture what is really there is more desirable, in my opinion, than using techniques, such as HDR, to produce eye candy. I can post examples, if you'd like.
--Bob

Rloren wrote:
I am a newbie and have recently been doing a lot of reading and research on real estate photography. I picked three houses from the for sale listings just to compare the photographs

The first house was a real dump..$39,900.00. You could tell the photographer just ran in shot automatic and ran out.

The second house was about $300,000.00. There were some automatic shots but a lot more care was taken in the interior to balance the lighting. I would probably rate it as..really good photos.

The third house was about 4 million dollars...ouch...The photos were at a whole new level, stunning, as close to perfection as one could possibly get with perfect soft light balance in each room.

My question is: Can you get close to perfection with just HDR and then go to Photoshop? My guess is the photographer used a lot of back lighting to balance each room perfectly. What do you think? Thanks....
I am a newbie and have recently been doing a lot o... (show quote)

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Feb 8, 2017 10:04:14   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
You can't be serious. 100k for the garage maybe, but that's probably low. But it's high for the cost of the shoot, too, even with staging.


100k for the house is more serious than 100k for the photos.

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Feb 8, 2017 10:36:43   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
rmalarz wrote:
Trying to present a product, in this case a house, in a manner that isn't quite reality is disingenuous. Using your best exposure techniques to capture what is really there is more desirable, in my opinion, than using techniques, such as HDR, to produce eye candy. I can post examples, if you'd like.
--Bob

There's an old saying: perception is reality. There's nothing disingenuous about doing everything you can to make the perception of what you're trying to sell the absolute best possible. If you've been hired to do so, anything less is being disingenuous to your customer.

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Feb 8, 2017 11:09:33   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
rmalarz wrote:
Trying to present a product, in this case a house, in a manner that isn't quite reality is disingenuous. Using your best exposure techniques to capture what is really there is more desirable, in my opinion, than using techniques, such as HDR, to produce eye candy. I can post examples, if you'd like.
--Bob


If our eyes see more dynamic range than our cameras record, then isn't it disingenuous to NOT shoot HDR?

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Feb 8, 2017 11:09:38   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
I am not THE expert as is David Pine, but I can second his opinions. Although I have been doing photography for 49 years, some of it as a professional sports photographer, I am a relative newbie in the Real Estate market. I bring not only my photography skills (whatever they may be) but I am also a licenced Real Estate (RE) Salesperson. I know from that side that RE agents are frugal, to say the least. You do need some skills to pull this off as well as the proper equipment. I have a good friend that is also in this market and he charges $$$$, but he is shooting million plus dollar homes and he is exceptional at his job. Some jobs require a lot of pre-work, setup and staging and can consume quite a bit of time. My forte is the middle of the market, the average home that doesn't get all that extra work, but sells for enough that I can get a decent paycheck if I work at it and produce good work -- work that helps the property sell. IMHO that does not include portraying the property as something that it is not by manipulating the photos, but trying to keep them very realistic while still showing the important and/or unique features of the home. I do use HDR; however, my goal in it's use is that the observer not really realize that I have done that -- a very subtle use to balance indoor and outdoor lighting. Best of luck.

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