ACR: Probably a dumb question, but why is it necessary to update ACR when you buy a new camera, for example going from a D610 to D810, when PhotoShop already knows all about Nikon's...

Past Pro Loc: Spring Hill, Florida

Probably a dumb question, but why is it necessary to update ACR when you buy a new camera, for example going from a D610 to D810, when PhotoShop already knows all
about Nikon's NEF files. Seems strange to me.

rwilson1942 Loc: Houston, TX

It's because the NEF files (or any new camera RAW files) are different for each camera so Photoshop has to be updated to recognize the new ones.

Past Pro Loc: Spring Hill, Florida

rwilson1942 wrote:

It's because the NEF files (or any new camera RAW files) are different for each camera so Photoshop has to be updated to recognize the new ones.

Thanks, but that is the simple answer. Yes, the camera changed, but the files are still NEF. Does Nikon change the format of a NEF file for each new model? I kinda doubt it.

rjaywallace Loc: Wisconsin

Past Pro wrote:

Thanks, but that is the simple answer. Yes, the camera changed, but the files are still NEF. Does Nikon change the format of a NEF file for each new model? I kinda doubt it.

Please re-read rwilson1942's response. Your doubt not withstanding, he's been around and knows what he is talking about. NEF formats are designed right alongside as each camera is designed.

RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia

It is not just Nikon. From personal experience it is Canon and Olympus.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Past Pro wrote:

Thanks, but that is the simple answer. Yes, the camera changed, but the files are still NEF. Does Nikon change the format of a NEF file for each new model? I kinda doubt it.

You may doubt it, but you'd be wrong. You're confusing NEF as a general file type with NEF as a camera-specific version of Nikon's raw sensor output. The extension is the same, the contents are not.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Past Pro wrote:

Probably a dumb question, but why is it necessary to update ACR when you buy a new camera, for example going from a D610 to D810, when PhotoShop already knows all
about Nikon's NEF files. Seems strange to me.

Strange and also annoying for those buying a new camera right after it is introduced. Why do they have to keep changing NEF? It would be nice to know the difference between different NEFs.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

Past Pro wrote:

Thanks, but that is the simple answer. Yes, the camera changed, but the files are still NEF. Does Nikon change the format of a NEF file for each new model? I kinda doubt it.

You may doubt it, but it true. The .NEF file name extension may be the same, but the raw file configuration and contents change a bit with each new model camera. The same is true of Canon .Cr2 raw files.

Abo

jerryc41 wrote:

Why do they have to keep changing NEF? .

Planned obsolescence imho.

You have to buy new software... keeps adobe (very) well fed. Or
at least keeps you dependent on your service providers data; (downloading the program compatible with
NEF version umpteen brazillion point nine) keeps them (very) well fed.

More complex and or even just different programs keep a raft of industrialists (very) well fed.
No benefit to the photographer of course... in fact it's a bloody corrupt and pernicious conspiracy.

The Luddites were right!!! Get that bloody Nikon D610 with its NEF version umpteen brazillion point nine,
and heave it through Nikons headquatars front window. Jerry, you and I ought to go to Tokyo,
stick a threatening note on that D610 telling the CEO we'll rip his arms off, and that you'll beat him to death with the
bloody ball joint at the end of his humerus, and I'll stick his other arm through his ears and ride him like
a pogo stick around the general area if he doesn't stop dicking around with NEF.

I'll do his right arm and you can have his left . FVCK IT! My next camera is a Fujifilm or a Pentax".

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

Past Pro wrote:

T Does Nikon change the format of a NEF file for each new model? I kinda doubt it.

This is where you are wrong. Every camera that produces a raw file, is proprietary to that particular make and model. Period. This is why Adobe has to update their ACR and Lightroom engine each and every time a new camera make and model comes out. Every time! So give them 2 weeks or so if and when you buy a brand new camera that has just been released. I bought my Canon 5D mark IV the first day available. I waited about a week for the files to work in Lightroom. My friend bought the new Canon M5 mirrorless and he had to wait 5 days or so. In the mean time, we used the software that comes with the camera to adjust our images. No biggie.

LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY

My experience with Canon is that every time they introduce a new processor, not necessarily a new camera, the RAW file changes making a new ACR necessary.

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

Past Pro wrote:

Probably a dumb question, but why is it necessary to update ACR when you buy a new camera, for example going from a D610 to D810, when PhotoShop already knows all
about Nikon's NEF files. Seems strange to me.

Newer cameras usually have newer capabilities, and older raw files may not be able to fully exploit those capabilities. Photoshop does not know anything about stuff it hasn't seen yet. Also, lens profiles are usually updated to include newer lenses that had not been released at the time ACR was last updated.

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

Abo wrote:

Planned obsolescence imho. br br You have to buy ... (show quote)

Dude, you need to take a chill pill, or maybe a trip to the liquor cabinet - If you are in such a bad mood maybe it's best you step away from the computer. Seriously. Grow up and watch your language. None of your rant is based in reality and even remotely acceptable.

This belongs in the Attic, not here.

Your tag line is precious - Less (of you) is more (better).

Abo

Gene51 wrote:

Dude, you need to take a chill pill, or maybe a trip to the liquor cabinet - If you are in such a bad mood maybe it's best you step away from the computer. Seriously. Grow up and watch your language. None of your rant is based in reality and even remotely acceptable.

This belongs in the Attic, not here.

Your tag line is precious - Less (of you) is more (better).

LOL... Good one Gene.

You couldn't possibly think I was being serious though... Time you pulled the stick out of your... well you know where.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

Abo wrote:

Planned obsolescence imho. br br You have to buy ... (show quote)

So you're saying that Canon and Nikon are in cahoots with Adobe to help increase Adobe's profits by changing their raw files when a new camera is released, forcing you to buy new Adobe software upgrades? I'll assume your violent tirade was just a tongue in cheek reaction to what you obviously think is collusion between Adobe and the camera manufacturers. The premise is a bit bizarre and extremely unlikely. What would Canon and Nikon have to gain by doing that? Maybe your whole post was tongue in cheek, but there are many conspiracy theory folks here that post similar tirades and mean every word. I don't know you so how can I tell if you're serious or not?