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Feb 3, 2017 18:35:05   #
tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio
 
So, I have a 24-70 2.8 Nikon that I had to calibrate on my old camera, a D800. Now I have upgraded to the D810 and just finished calibrating it again. This time I had to adjust it to +10 to nail down the focus. I'm wondering if this is a "bad apple" lens because none of the others required calibration. Seems I've always been a little "leery" of this lens because of the need for calibration.
Am I fretting over nothing or should this lens get sent in for a check up?

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Feb 3, 2017 19:11:25   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
No bad apple. You said you nailed the focus.

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Feb 3, 2017 19:21:49   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
tradio wrote:
So, I have a 24-70 2.8 Nikon that I had to calibrate on my old camera, a D800. Now I have upgraded to the D810 and just finished calibrating it again. This time I had to adjust it to +10 to nail down the focus. I'm wondering if this is a "bad apple" lens because none of the others required calibration. Seems I've always been a little "leery" of this lens because of the need for calibration.
Am I fretting over nothing or should this lens get sent in for a check up?


What you see is WHY todays cameras offer focus tuning, to allow the user to achieve the sharpest, fastest focus capable with each and every lens you use.

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Feb 3, 2017 19:29:57   #
tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio
 
MT Shooter wrote:
What you see is WHY todays cameras offer focus tuning, to allow the user to achieve the sharpest, fastest focus capable with each and every lens you use.


You have a more than an arm load of glass, have you ever had to tune a lens that far? Just curious, it seems a little much but the camera had a range of + or - 20 so maybe it is not too far out of range.

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Feb 3, 2017 19:45:30   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
tradio wrote:
You have a more than an arm load of glass, have you ever had to tune a lens that far? Just curious, it seems a little much but the camera had a range of + or - 20 so maybe it is not too far out of range.


I had an old Nikon 17-55mm F2.8 that needed a -12 on my D7000. I think the most I have had to set any of my current lenses is my Nikon 200-500mm F5.6 which is at -6 on my D800E but its also at +3 on my D500. Haven't tuned it to any other bodies as those are the only two I use that lens on.

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Feb 3, 2017 19:46:34   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
tradio wrote:
So, I have a 24-70 2.8 Nikon that I had to calibrate on my old camera, a D800. Now I have upgraded to the D810 and just finished calibrating it again. This time I had to adjust it to +10 to nail down the focus. I'm wondering if this is a "bad apple" lens because none of the others required calibration. Seems I've always been a little "leery" of this lens because of the need for calibration.
Am I fretting over nothing or should this lens get sent in for a check up?


I'd have it checked. I've got over a dozen lenses - Nikon, Sigma and Tamron, and I have had multiple bodies from D70 to D800 - and I have never found a need to use fine tune. I did have a couple of bad lenses, and found that they were "out of spec" and needed to be re-calibrated, and once this was done they worked fine on all the bodies. Some people swear by the camera AF fine tune. I find it quite limiting, since on many bodies you only get a few focal lengths and distances that you can tune. I have gotten my best results when I let Nikon, Tamron or Sigma do it.

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Feb 3, 2017 21:39:14   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
I purchased an 85mm F1.8 from Canon that required +15 correction using Focal. Uncomfortable (like you), I returned it to Canon under warranty, and after checking it, they found "nothing wrong" and returned it to me with no change (still requires +15). I'm still uncomfortable as this is worse (by a factor of 2) than any of my other lenses, but OK for now. My discomfort is what happens when/if it exceeds the available compensation as it ages, but too late to return it. I share your ambivalence and concern, but +10 is not that bad.

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Feb 3, 2017 22:00:13   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Here's what Nikon says about Fine Tuning

Fine-tune focus for up to 20 lens types.
AF tuning is not recommended in most situations and may interfere with normal focus; use only when required.


Am I missing something?

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Feb 3, 2017 22:57:25   #
CO
 
There's a lot of variation in the AF accuracy of camera and lens combinations. I test the daylights out of my lenses, lenses I rent, and DSLR bodies using a DataColor SpyderLensCal. I rented the Tamron 45mm f/1.8 lens once. It needed -12 AF fine tuning on my Nikon DSLR bodies. I later took a chance and purchased a new one from B&H. I lucked out. That one only requires -3 AF fine tuning on the same cameras. The camera bodies are part of this as well. I had read that a small number of Nikon D7000 cameras has a severe back focusing issue. I had one of those. I had to set the AF fine tuning to about -15 with all lenses. I returned that one and purchased another one from a different company. The AF sensors must be calibrated much more accurately in that one. Only small amounts of AF fine tuning are needed.

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Feb 3, 2017 23:16:04   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
TriX wrote:
I purchased an 85mm F1.8 from Canon that required +15 correction using Focal. Uncomfortable (like you), I returned it to Canon under warranty, and after checking it, they found "nothing wrong" and returned it to me with no change (still requires +15). I'm still uncomfortable as this is worse (by a factor of 2) than any of my other lenses, but OK for now. My discomfort is what happens when/if it exceeds the available compensation as it ages, but too late to return it. I share your ambivalence and concern, but +10 is not that bad.
I purchased an 85mm F1.8 from Canon that required ... (show quote)

I would not worry. That same lens may require a completely different adjustment on a different camera body. For the most part adjustment differences between cameras and lenses is due to manufacturing tolerances. In-camera micro adjustments are actually very subtle to help account for very slight manufacturing differences. I have four Canon bodies. I have some Canon and third-party lenses that require adjustments on all of them, and none of the adjustments are the same from camera to camera. I also have some lenses that don't seem to require any adjustment at all. And others that are + a couple on one body and - a couple on another. The most extreme one is a Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 which is dead on with my Canon 60D but requires +14 on the long end and +13 on the wide end with my 7D Mark II. Meanwhile I have other lenses that don't seem to need any adjustment on either of those bodies. That a good thing with regard to my 60D since unlike my other 3 bodies, it doesn't have micro focus adjustment capability.

For those who claim to have a number of lenses and bodies and need no adjustments at all for any of them, I suggest they may not have investigated the sharpness potential of their lenses well enough and may have overlooked the improvement that micro focus adjustments would add to some of them.

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Feb 3, 2017 23:56:08   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
mwsilvers wrote:
I would not worry. That same lens may require a completely different adjustment on a different camera body. For the most part adjustment differences between cameras and lenses is due to manufacturing tolerances. In-camera micro adjustments are actually very subtle to help account for very slight manufacturing differences. I have four Canon bodies. I have some Canon and third-party lenses that require adjustments on all of them, and none of the adjustments are the same from camera to camera. I also have some lenses that don't seem to require any adjustment at all. And others that are + a couple on one body and - a couple on another. The most extreme one is a Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 which is dead on with my Canon 60D but requires +14 on the long end and +13 on the wide end with my 7D Mark II. Meanwhile I have other lenses that don't seem to need any adjustment on either of those bodies. That a good thing with regard to my 60D since unlike my other 3 bodies, it doesn't have micro focus adjustment capability.

For those who claim to have a number of lenses and bodies and need no adjustments at all for any of them, I suggest they may not have investigated the sharpness potential of their lenses well enough and may have overlooked the improvement that micro focus adjustments would add to some of them.
I would not worry. That same lens may require a co... (show quote)


Thanks. I calibrate all my lenses religiously, and the most I had seen until this lens was + or -7 on this 5D3 body. As long as it doesn't get past my adjustment range, I'm good. It's probably just coincidence that it was a refurb from Canon.

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Feb 4, 2017 03:31:46   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
It’s been my experience that when the image is sharp on the focusing screen, it will be sharp at the focal plane. Never had reason to “fine tune.”

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Feb 4, 2017 04:54:05   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
I'd have it calibrated professionally. I have it done for about $30 and I get a printed copy of the results.

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Feb 4, 2017 05:41:08   #
team 1
 
What am I missing ? I have lens that go back years to my first E O S 35 mm years ago up to my 1 V HS and then my 20 d on to my newer ones of today, I have never heard of fine tuning a lens and I update my bodies and just keep using the same lens,all are Canon except one a Sigma 10-20 EX- DC-HSM

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Feb 4, 2017 05:54:23   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Bill_de wrote:
Here's what Nikon says about Fine Tuning

Fine-tune focus for up to 20 lens types.
AF tuning is not recommended in most situations and may interfere with normal focus; use only when required.


Am I missing something?

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Nope - they are discouraging it unless it is a last resort. Which is why I never do it. And if I did, it would only be on a prime lens, not a zoom.

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