green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-third-u-s-says-being-christian-important-being-truly-n715911

looks like the 26% hard-core thumper-evangelists have picked up the 6% of the population that self-identify as unstable gun nuts...

OMG!!!!!!!! almost 1/3 of Americans think that being a Christian is an important part of being "truly" American, so that means that 45% of Christians think that their faith is intrinsic to being an American. (32/70)

These people think that 44 members of Congress are not truly American
These people think Thomas Jefferson is not truly American
These people think Mark Twain is not truly American
These people think Katherine Hepburn is not truly American
These people think Carl Sagan is not truly American
These people think Pat Tillman not truly American


just WOW. Pew Research is one of the premier poll takers, but those numbers seem... what's the word? intolerant?

tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio

Another poll?...we all now how accurate they are...

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

well of course, attack the messenger... let's take a poll right here... do you a self-identify as a Christian? Do you believe your faith is intrinsic to being a true American?

Incidently, the Pew Research Center recognized that the election landscape had changed, and changed the way they reported trending issues... you can read about it here:

http://www.pewresearch.org/2016/10/10/why-pew-research-center-changed-its-strategy-this-election/

PalePictures Loc: Traveling

Come on Green.
A student of binary you are not.
I believe A, so B is not true......
I really thought you were smarter than that.
You really should try and get away from polls and stats...
Google Inductive vs Deductive reasoning.
Ask an Iranian how many think being Muslim is core in being an Iranian. You'll get in the high 90's.
How many in India think being Hindu is core to being a Hindu..
Ladidadida....
Who cares....

Being Christian or Muslim or Christian or atheist doesn't effect my liberty at all, until someone starts killing or destroying property..... Especially my property.
Your'e not helping your cause here.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

And 100% of these people have nt read the Establishment Clause. But they gave opinions on who is truly American.

Ironic, no?

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

You are drawing a false equivalency here implying that Iran and America are the same. Iran is an Islamic Republic so of course Islam is part of the national identity. We, on the other hand, have a Constitution that is supposed to protect us from this bullshit. A Constitution that the judgmental Christianists (note I did not say "Christian" and while there is some overlap, these terms are not interchangeable) have not read while they lecture us on what is truly American.

Checkmate Loc: Southern California

Being a Christain makes for a much better American. Of course there are a few other religions that might qualify but that's not part of the bigoted poll or the bigoted poster.

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

PalePictures Loc: Traveling

You seem to try and make the case that because 49 percent of Christians think that their belief is part of being American to them.. That it somehow makes them intolorent...The word you used.
What's more is you stated because they believe that part of being an American to them is their Christian faith. That "those people" somehow believe that Thomas Jefferson was not an American.
This is how people and statistics get twisted. Hence my statement.
"There are liars, Damn Liars and then there are Statisticians."
If you are in computers you do understand logic. Perhaps you should try practicing that reasoning.
If your purpose is to make invalid arguments to incite,
I'll just mark you off my list as one of those that fails to use reason.
Thomas Jefferson used reason. That's what made him "Thomas Jefferson".
Keep in mind that Thomas Jefferson, like Washington, was a Master Mason as was most of the founding fathers.
To become a Mason you have to profess a belief in a higher being. That being by some is referred to as GAUTU.
The Great Architect of the Universe....aka GOD.
Although most of the Founders practiced a Christian based religion outside of Free Masonry. Most were more involved more in Masonry than in their churches.
The only requirement to become a Mason is to profess a belief in a higher being.
George Washington was painted once Kneeling to pray before battle. The scenario painted was not likely to have ever occurred.
Washington believed that God would not intervene in the folly of man. aka war.
Moreover most of the founder professed Calvinistic beliefs....aka predestiny
Not only was I in computers for years, I am also a student of the founding fathers.
You seem to draw conclusions by looking through a telescope at a bug 10 feet away without being able to see the leaf or the forest that the bug is in.
It never seems to amaze me that the left claims to be tolerant while constantly pointing out groups that they disagree with.
Did you read "The moon is a harsh mistress" by Heinlen?
This point is well made in the book. Race doesn't matter when you quit trying to use it as an argument....Just like Christianity...Just like any other topic where you demonize a group.

PalePictures Loc: Traveling

No, I did not draw a false equivalency.
I am talking about what people believe not what the constitution says.
The constitution involves law. The constitution just allows us not to be persecuted for a belief. It's actually much simpler in it's original intent...To preserve Liberty.
Sharia Law allows you to be persecuted.
Somebody having a judgement is not persecution.
Persecution is when force is used. Like when the taxman comes and takes your money to make you pay for something you don't believe in. That is force....
I have never been lectured by a Christian on what it means to be truly an American. It seems you are telling me that being Truly American is telling someone that they do not have the right to speak their mind. Speaking your mind is what Liberty is. You can believe what you want.

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO

WOW - America has found it's true idiot...poll says.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

The OP had nothing to do with Sharia, did it?

I said nothing about the ability to speak one's mind. Maybe you are arguing with someone else. Or maybe the voices in your head,,,hard to tell.

My point, if I have to spell it out again...Christianists who have neither read nor understand the Constitution, have no business deciding what is "truly American". They are entitled to be as misinformed and ignorant as they wish.

PalePictures Loc: Traveling

I would feel safe If I lived in China. The fact that they may buddhist doesn't effect my beliefs. I'm not going to be preaching there. Buddhist are not going to kill me there.
I would feel safe if I lived in Israel, or Germany, Japan, Australia.
I don't think I'll be visiting Iran or Syria or Yemen or Saudi Arabia or Egypt or North Korea.
The Christian church was reformed Centuries ago.
The fact that the nation is Christian or not is irrelevant to me. Every real Christian I know is peaceful.
I don't do clicks or collectives.
I did single out the "left" mainly because the rationalization behind coercive use of government power.
Voluntary collectivism is ok with me. Government participation is not voluntary.
I didn't vote for Trump in the last election. I voted for Gary Johnson.
I will likely vote for Trump in the next election. Mainly because of his engagement with business, reduction in regulation, and supreme court constitutionalist appointees.
Jury is still out for me, If we get real reductions in the size of government, I will vote for Trump, regardless of the fact that he has a big mouth and is awful to listen too.
I'm not looking for a smooth talker or someone I necessarily like. It's not even about the doing......It's about the undoing....
If Trump continues on the path that he is on, he will likely retrieve the Libertarian vote that he lost. Which would give him a majority.
Picking up the Unions like he has done, will solidify many swing states.
I'm just a pragmatist not persuaded by "fake fear".

If you asked Christians if they believed that Jews here were "Truly American" you would likely get around 99 percent yes.
They are in fact deist.
This is why polls like this are jokes. It's easy to box people in with a question.
People use polls to promote agenda's. They use statistics to promote agendas.....aka Blacks make up 13 percent of the population but make up 50 percent of Homicides(NCR).......Not very productive to use race or religion to make points.
A smart attorney doesn't ask a question he doesn't have an answer too.

P.S... Looking for a pull back in the stock Market. As Greenspan said under Clinton....It's irrational exuberance now.

davefales Loc: Virginia

The whole purpose of the article (and likely the study) was to be able to print this paragraph:

"The study's findings are consistent with research on anti-Islamic views in the U.S., said Council on American-Islamic Relations Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper, who added that given the current political climate, American Muslims face an increasingly negative perception."

Transparent.