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Jan 28, 2017 18:14:19   #
rastokirn Loc: Maribor, Slovenia
 
This time I left my phone in pocket and photographed just with my new toy (OM-10). Yes, pics are sharper (and take more memory), but why is snow blue when the sun goes down (seen on the last two photos)? I tried Luminar and Aurora on the last picture, but was still not happy with results. Yes, Aurora and Luminar are also new!:-) Any hints?

Once a year young and adult teams get together under Peca mountain in Slovenia
Once a year young and adult teams get together und...

to honor king Matjaz (Matthias Corvinus) and his queen Alencica
to honor king Matjaz (Matthias Corvinus) and his q...

building snow castles and other monuments from snow and water
building snow castles and other monuments from sno...

using whatever utensils they bring with.
using whatever utensils they bring with....

Honored King Matjaz and Queen Alencica (went blue after sun was gone)
Honored King Matjaz and Queen Alencica (went blue ...

Using Aurora and Luminar hasn't brought me satisfaction :(
Using Aurora and Luminar hasn't brought me satisfa...

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Jan 28, 2017 18:38:53   #
Steve_m Loc: Southern California
 
rastokirn wrote:
This time I left my phone in pocket and photographed just with my new toy (OM-10). Yes, pics are sharper (and take more memory), but why is snow blue when the sun goes down (seen on the last two photos)? I tried Luminar and Aurora on the last picture, but was still not happy with results. Yes, Aurora and Luminar are also new!:-) Any hints?


White balance?

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Jan 28, 2017 18:45:00   #
jliane Loc: Washington state
 
Snow in shadows is blue

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Jan 28, 2017 18:50:54   #
twowindsbear
 
The white snow reflects the color of the blue sky, the same way the shadow areas in the other pix are blue. You can adjust the white balance to make the snow white, but the sky will no longer be blue.

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Jan 28, 2017 20:50:10   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 

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Jan 28, 2017 22:14:18   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
rastokirn wrote:
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but why is snow blue when the sun goes down (seen on the last two photos)? I tried Luminar and Aurora on the last picture, but was still not happy with results. Yes, Aurora and Luminar are also new!:-) Any hints?
Over at FYC we have had several discussions about this very subject, and now are in the midst of a discussion about how we can/should respond to these issues
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-436618-1.html

Part of your surprise may come from the fact that these effects happen, but our brains sometimes edit what we are seeing, basically doing its own version of WB because we subconsciously know that colors are modified towards blue under shade and towards red close to sunrise/sunset.

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Jan 29, 2017 10:13:18   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
Great shots, open you shutter a couple stops, it works for me.

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Jan 29, 2017 15:05:35   #
trc Loc: Logan, OH
 
twowindsbear wrote:
The white snow reflects the color of the blue sky, the same way the shadow areas in the other pix are blue. You can adjust the white balance to make the snow white, but the sky will no longer be blue.


Since the picture has already been taken, just do the WB selectively, say in PS, and that small challenge is solved. White snow and sky remains blue.

Best Regards,
Tom

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Jan 29, 2017 17:56:50   #
rastokirn Loc: Maribor, Slovenia
 
[quote=rehess]Over at FYC we have had several discussions about this very subject, and now are in the midst of a discussion about how we can/should respond to these issues
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-436618-1.html

Well, thank you. This was not easy, it took me all evening (so much discussion in english, foreign language for me)! But I learned a lot, still didn't go deep in philosophy.

BTW What do words "SOOC, DR, EBTR, DOF information" mean?

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Jan 29, 2017 18:06:57   #
rastokirn Loc: Maribor, Slovenia
 
Steve_m, jliane, twowindsbear, Bultaco, trc, ..., thank you all for replies. Have to find next opportunity, we don't have much snow here where I live. I really like a comment from Uuglypher, written on another thread "The sun-lit snow reflects the warm hues of the low sun, and the shadowed snow reflects the sky's color. Again... what's to fix?" Should I live with that?

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Jan 29, 2017 18:18:43   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
rastokirn wrote:
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BTW What do words "SOOC, DR, EBTR, DOF information" mean?
I spent two weeks in Ljubljana when I was in grad school; your English is much better than my Slovenian could ever be.

SOOC = Straight Out Of Camera - using JPEG image created by your camera. You'll find lots of threads here creating more heat than light comparing SOOC to Post Processing raw files

DR = "Dynamic Range" - distance between darkest light and brightest light the sensor can capture at one time.

DOF = "Depth Of Field" - at any given f-stop, a certain range of distances will be in focus; DOF is the distance between the closest spot in focus and the farthest spot in focus. Back in the day, before autofocus, most lenses would have markings helping you to know what those distances are.

EBTR -= " Exposure Beyond The Right" - this is another one of those very controversial subjects, "more heat than light", like Canon vs Nikon. The idea, for those who do Post Processing, is to "over expose" {from the point of JPEG}, because noise is more of a problem in dark areas than in light areas; raw files have more DR than JPEG do, so adjusting back to the "correct" range is done in Post Processing. The advocates of this method, and the closely related, ETTR, do themselves no favor by their long explanations.
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-433396-1.html

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Jan 29, 2017 22:24:23   #
sailorsmom Loc: Souderton, PA
 
Beautiful photos, rastokirn, and I like the blue snow! Better than having it all white and washed-out looking! And how talented are the kids building these! Wow! So beautiful!

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