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Jan 23, 2017 22:17:47   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
MiroFoto wrote:
Can somebody direct me ?-- I would like to take some family portraits with my Nikon 7100. The pop up flash is a bit harsh I think. Yet it is weak and no flexible for bouncing off the ceiling. I wish to use low ISO. ( the same task in photobox for pictures of small items.

Is there any way how to spread=soften light from this small flash? I tried to use the plastic from a milk bottle, but it was not that great. Is anybody selling some prismatic material ? I am trying to avoid the shadows too.

Thank you M
Can somebody direct me ?-- I would like to take so... (show quote)


Forget the pop-up. It's only useful as fill flash in daylight. Get a shoe mount flash you can bounce off an umbrella, a reflector, a white wall, or a white ceiling.

The size of your light source should be relatively larger than the size of your subject if you want a soft look.

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Jan 23, 2017 22:18:27   #
OutBack Loc: North Central Florida
 
okay I took in everyone's thoughts on this but I have a speed light super flash and it tends to create shadows under the chin and in places you don't usually have them when it is bounced; am I doing something wrong? I have been shooting since I was 3' 2'' and it always seems there are too many critiques who say do it this way or that way and very few have original ideas; they only repeat what they have heard. You will be most satisfied when you do it your way; but don't quote me, okay. Ha!

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Jan 24, 2017 07:54:01   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
OutBack wrote:
okay I took in everyone's thoughts on this but I have a speed light super flash and it tends to create shadows under the chin and in places you don't usually have them when it is bounced; am I doing something wrong? I have been shooting since I was 3' 2'' and it always seems there are too many critiques who say do it this way or that way and very few have original ideas; they only repeat what they have heard. You will be most satisfied when you do it your way; but don't quote me, okay. Ha!


Bounced off what surface?

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Jan 24, 2017 07:54:30   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
burkphoto wrote:
Forget the pop-up. It's only useful as fill flash in daylight. Get a shoe mount flash you can bounce off an umbrella, a reflector, a white wall, or a white ceiling.

The size of your light source should be relatively larger than the size of your subject if you want a soft look.


Finally the voice of experience -

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Jan 24, 2017 08:58:34   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
http://www.dembflashproducts.com/

You will want to bounce your flash. You want to enlarge and soften it. Those pop up flashes are very weak. The DEMB flash products are the best that I have found. I use them exclusively now.

http://www.dembflashproducts.com/

Russ

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Jan 24, 2017 09:00:11   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
When I was just learning, well I still am, the old hands used a press trick, put a big white cardboard behind the flash while it is pointed at the ceiling, the ceiling bounces and the white cardboard bounces fill into the shadows, check out the Lumiquest, modern professional version, You can make your own to try it out with cardboard and a rubber band to try, BTW on my small flash I use an old white credit card for a bounce, Bob.

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Jan 24, 2017 13:45:55   #
gkuep1945 Loc: Dowling Park, Florida
 
I have seen this used nicely.
https://www.amazon.com/Neewer-88015585-Hot-Shoe-Diffuser-Digital/dp/B006F34ZIY/ref=pd_sim_421_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B006F34ZIY&pd_rd_r=E0BEPC01KN40ARW9J8XM&pd_rd_w=kcwbg&pd_rd_wg=OvmCd&psc=1&refRID=E0BEPC01KN40ARW9J8XM

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Jan 24, 2017 17:02:36   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bobmcculloch wrote:
When I was just learning, well I still am, the old hands used a press trick, put a big white cardboard behind the flash while it is pointed at the ceiling, the ceiling bounces and the white cardboard bounces fill into the shadows, check out the Lumiquest, modern professional version, You can make your own to try it out with cardboard and a rubber band to try, BTW on my small flash I use an old white credit card for a bounce, Bob.


I have a Lumiquest Big Bounce and a Sto-Fen Omnibounce, and have tried about a dozen other gizmos over the years, but none is any better than a letter-size sheet of white 110-lb. index card stock, folded into a scoop and rubber banded to the back of my flash...

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Jan 24, 2017 17:04:21   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
burkphoto wrote:
I have a Lumiquest Big Bounce and a Sto-Fen Omnibounce, and have tried about a dozen other gizmos over the years, but none is any better than a letter-size sheet of white 110-lb. index card stock, folded into a scoop and rubber banded to the back of my flash...


Not for a family group portrait . . . Just sayin'

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Jan 24, 2017 17:10:04   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Gene51 wrote:
Not for a family group portrait . . . Just sayin'


No. It works well for event photography, and portraits on the run at about 7' away. For a family group portrait, I'm setting up umbrellas or soft boxes.

I generally don't like on-camera flash, no matter what I do with it. But sometimes, it is a necessary evil. Bouncing off a low, white ceiling and kicking a little light into the shadows with a card or something helps. But it isn't a panacea.

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Jan 24, 2017 17:34:39   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
Just today, the property owner had a photo shoot in the lobby of the building where I work. It's a high ceiling and they had six white lightnings on light stands about ten feet high all aimed at the ceiling. Lit up the lobby and noisy too.

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Jan 24, 2017 18:38:08   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
burkphoto wrote:
No. It works well for event photography, and portraits on the run at about 7' away. For a family group portrait, I'm setting up umbrellas or soft boxes.

I generally don't like on-camera flash, no matter what I do with it. But sometimes, it is a necessary evil. Bouncing off a low, white ceiling and kicking a little light into the shadows with a card or something helps. But it isn't a panacea.


Totally agree - it's better than bare flash in run-and-gun scenarios, but not a first choice. Or even a second choice. Your characterization as a necessary evil sums it up nicely!

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Jan 24, 2017 20:13:46   #
MiroFoto
 
Thank you for the all of yours opinions and especially for the ideas about a diffusers. This is where I want to start with. It tickles my desire to improvise with something.

I agree that the way to do it right is different than my intent. But I never will be a photographer, so the technical part drives my hobby itch.

Thank you again ..... a lot Miro

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Jan 24, 2017 22:06:58   #
Roger Lee
 
Since using an external flash isn't in your cards, I'll repeat what I posted earlier.

https://petapixel.com/2016/12/19/quick-tip-use-balloon-better-pop-flash-portraits/

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Jan 24, 2017 22:12:44   #
MiroFoto
 
Roger Lee - I remember what you posted - I surely will try it.

Thanks Miro

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