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Jan 22, 2017 08:10:17   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Crop sensor???? What the heck is that?


It's an agricultural term.

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Jan 22, 2017 08:34:05   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Crop sensor???? What the heck is that?

All sensors are full size, none is cropped. A crop takes place only if you use a lens made for a smaller sensor. A magnification takes place if you do the reverse, using a lens made made for a larger sensor.

Now about sensor size???

Considering what is going on in sensor technology I am not sure if a smaller sensor will still be inferior to a larger one. As to the medium formats, they have advantages in studio that are quickly lost in the wild unless you for static subjects (good luck trying to capture a flying insect with a medium camera...).
Crop sensor???? What the heck is that? br br All... (show quote)




Also, We have subminiature,miniature,medium and large format....Where in hell is right format? 🤔

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Jan 22, 2017 08:46:33   #
BebuLamar
 
JD750 wrote:
There are those here who would not own a crop sensor or mirrorless camera because a full frame camera is so far superior.
(I don't subscribe to that notion myself).

But those who feel that way must be thrilled because a larger* sensor digital format is evolving. The Hasselbald (X1D-50C) 53x40 mm, Pentax (645C) 43x33 mm, and Fuji (GFX 50S) 43x33 mm are now available. Quick sell all your full frame gear and buy the largest sensor available? Oh my! What a dilemma!

*Marketing departments are using the term "medium format" but the sensors are not equal in size to medium format film.
There are those here who would not own a crop sens... (show quote)


The Pentax is cropped sensor. It uses lenses designed for 56x42 mm full frame.

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Jan 22, 2017 08:51:17   #
BebuLamar
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Crop sensor???? What the heck is that?

All sensors are full size, none is cropped. A crop takes place only if you use a lens made for a smaller sensor. A magnification takes place if you do the reverse, using a lens made made for a larger sensor.

Now about sensor size???

Considering what is going on in sensor technology I am not sure if a smaller sensor will still be inferior to a larger one. As to the medium formats, they have advantages in studio that are quickly lost in the wild unless you for static subjects (good luck trying to capture a flying insect with a medium camera...).
Crop sensor???? What the heck is that? br br All... (show quote)


Except your camera which is a Nikon D500. It does have a crop sensor as it uses lenses designed for 24x36mm format.

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Jan 22, 2017 09:15:48   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
JD750 wrote:
There are those here who would not own a crop sensor or mirrorless camera because a full frame camera is so far superior.
(I don't subscribe to that notion myself).

But those who feel that way must be thrilled because a larger* sensor digital format is evolving. The Hasselbald (X1D-50C) 53x40 mm, Pentax (645C) 43x33 mm, and Fuji (GFX 50S) 43x33 mm are now available. Quick sell all your full frame gear and buy the largest sensor available? Oh my! What a dilemma!

*Marketing departments are using the term "medium format" but the sensors are not equal in size to medium format film.
There are those here who would not own a crop sens... (show quote)


I can't speak to the Pentax, but the Hasselblad X1D-50c will be replacing my physically huge H5D-50. The new lenses will also be appreciably smaller. And yes, there is a difference between image quality and pixel size, at least subjectively.

No need for snide comments on this site. Different strokes for different folks.

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Jan 22, 2017 09:22:00   #
BebuLamar
 
n3eg wrote:
My perfect sensor size is four thirds. It keeps the equipment small. In my opinion, FF is only necessary for film.


The 4/3 is full frame. I have never seen a 4/3 camera with a crop sensor.

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Jan 22, 2017 09:37:59   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Except your camera which is a Nikon D500. It does have a crop sensor as it uses lenses designed for 24x36mm format.

You do understand what crop is? (beside a farmer's delight or relief when good).

There are no cropped sensor.

Lenses, as said before when used improperly (on the wrong body) are what determines what part of the sensor is used. More precisely the lens disk of diffusion will determine what will be used. A FX (Nikon) lens on a DX body will 'magnify' the disk of diffusion. A DX lens on a FX body will reduce the surface of the sensor used. Using A FX lens is like using an extender if you like.

Now, as pointed out, this a confusing marketing strategy that makes people feel they get more than they think when they purchase a FX camera. It's full frame, the other are not!!! Yeah right.

I have to give you a couple of (even three) for having noticed that I have stated over the years that I use FX lenses on my DX camera (D300 and now D500). I just have one DX lens, an 18~200. I also systematically use only 24x24 out of my D800e.


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DX diffusion disk on a FX camera (D800e) Heavily compressed JPG for UHH size requirement.
DX diffusion disk on a FX camera (D800e)  Heavily ...
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Jan 22, 2017 10:03:58   #
catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway
 
DOF changes, Sensor size matters.

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Jan 22, 2017 10:09:11   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
Not to change the subject or anything , does pixel pitch have anything to do with sensor quality?

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Jan 22, 2017 10:21:09   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
tcthome wrote:
Not to change the subject or anything , does pixel pitch have anything to do with sensor quality?

Yes, in theory. The bigger the pixels (in new cameras) the more light is used/captured. Moire, color aberration and or diffraction are reduced. So you get a better results.

The problem is the difference is not all that noticeable unless you pixel peep.

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Jan 22, 2017 10:39:26   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
thanks!

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Jan 22, 2017 10:54:27   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
JD750 wrote:
There are those here who would not own a crop sensor or mirrorless camera because a full frame camera is so far superior.
(I don't subscribe to that notion myself).

But those who feel that way must be thrilled because a larger* sensor digital format is evolving. The Hasselbald (X1D-50C) 53x40 mm, Pentax (645C) 43x33 mm, and Fuji (GFX 50S) 43x33 mm are now available. Quick sell all your full frame gear and buy the largest sensor available? Oh my! What a dilemma!

*Marketing departments are using the term "medium format" but the sensors are not equal in size to medium format film.
There are those here who would not own a crop sens... (show quote)


You'll need a whole lot of cash to make that change. I went from Hasselblads film to Canon digital and when Hasselblad changed the mount so none of my lenses would be usable on the new body's I said good bye. You can spend more on a new Hassy body then on a brand new car, I sure won't. Hassy going to have a very limited market!

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Jan 22, 2017 11:00:41   #
Kuzano
 
Again, the complete overlook of film....

My favorite Medium Format 120 roll film camera is the "Big Texas Leica" Fujica GL690 (frame size 58mm x 88mm or 6x9CM). This camera shoots an area of 4.7 times FF. I can be purchased from $500 to $750, and when scanned creates a file about 250 Megapixels. It's a very reliable, durable camera.

Film is alive and well.

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Jan 22, 2017 11:13:06   #
BebuLamar
 
Rongnongno wrote:
You do understand what crop is? (beside a farmer's delight or relief when good).

There are no cropped sensor.

Lenses, as said before when used improperly (on the wrong body) are what determines what part of the sensor is used. More precisely the lens disk of diffusion will determine what will be used. A FX (Nikon) lens on a DX body will 'magnify' the disk of diffusion. A DX lens on a FX body will reduce the surface of the sensor used. Using A FX lens is like using an extender if you like.

Now, as pointed out, this a confusing marketing strategy that makes people feel they get more than they think when they purchase a FX camera. It's full frame, the other are not!!! Yeah right.

I have to give you a couple of (even three) for having noticed that I have stated over the years that I use FX lenses on my DX camera (D300 and now D500). I just have one DX lens, an 18~200. I also systematically use only 24x24 out of my D800e.


* Modified post from 'circle' to 'disk'
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You do understand what crop is? (beside a farmer'... (show quote)


I do know what's crop is. I know it better than you for sure!

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Jan 22, 2017 11:18:16   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
I bought the pentax 645d before I found out it was a "crop" version of medium format. the larger sensor works for me. I get the "crop" effect with old film lenses. I find that I works as well in the field as the full frame cameras with their bigger lenses. mf has limitations but with adaptive tecniques you can get a lot done.

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