asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA

Actually this is a big deal. It is the first digital 35mm format camera that is the same thickness as a film camera of the same type. Nikon's Df and previous Leica M models were the only full-frame cameras to try and recreate the look and feel of a film camera, and came close but for being so damned thick. This new M10 is the same thickness as an M3 from 1954.

https://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/Leica-M10

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Honestly I do not see how the 'thickness' is such a big deal or 'old feel' for that matter.

The sensor capabilities are much more important to me. This is where the DF fell off the 'hype' after a while. Good camera but over priced for the 'feel'.

Now let's see what is really being offered, shall we?

Just an opinion of course.

asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA

Df was a massive win on the sensor, which was straight out of the D4. M10 sensor is similar to that of the Leica Q and SL, which are excellent, but with the addition of the angled micro lenses required for rangefinder wide-angles which often have their rear elements fractions of an inch from the sensor itself (the reason Sony A7s aren't great with RF wides).

BebuLamar

So Leica did it for their M! I wish Nikon can do the same for their F. Creating a digital camera the same size as the the film camera, using the same lenses, using the sensor the same size as film camera and using the same viewfinder as the film camera. Nikon failed in the Df for the size aspect. The Df is much too fat and too tall when compared to a film camera, adding to the insult it's too light.

asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA

Agree completely. I had one for a while, LOVED the image quality, HATED the build.

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

And people think my em1.2 is expensive.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

I have a Df. I like the look, the feel, and the images.
But, it is not a $6500 Leica. I don't understand the comparison.

asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA

I bought the original M Monochrom. That was quite a bit more expensive than this new M10. Of course four years later I'm still enjoying it and there is still nothing appreciably better for black and white in 35mm format (the new M Mono added features, not image quality).

asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA

The comparison is in that the Df, like a digital Leica, is designed for manual control input with proper dials and to be easily usable with older manual focus lenses. Nikon intended it to have the look and feel of a film camera, with digital images.

If it was thinner and had a metal shell it would have been perfect. As it is, it still has arguably Nikon's best sensor. I personally just found it too plasticky and thick. I would have kept it if I couldn't afford a digital Leica.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

The build is more important than the image quality--makes sense that you no longer have one.

asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA

The Leica image quality is even better. Sensor not quite as good, but glass is much better.

Even the sensor is just as good or better at low ISO, just lacks the high ISO capability.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

I would love to own a Leica.

asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA

Used M9s are quite reasonable, and with the M10 out, used M240s will be coming way down.

The original M Monochrom is still my favorite digital camera, by far, but my wife insists on color for our travel books.

BebuLamar

Actually the Leica bodies are not all that bad. It's the lenses that cost too much.

asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA

Only the new and fast ones. There are plenty of bargains out there. The great thing is that any Leica M or thread mount lens ever made, with only two or three exceptions (rear elements that protrude too far back) can be used.

1930s-1950s 50mm f/2 Summitar goes for about $200 and is an absolutely gorgeous lens (requires thread to M adapter)
35mm f/2 Summicrons, ANY OF THEM, are fantastic and start at about $600 for a mid 1960s example.
50mm f/2 Summicron pre-APO (v4 or v5, same glass, still current model) sell used for about $1000 and up.
90mm Elmarits (any since late 1950s) are cheap and wonderful, some as low as $150.

There are also used lenses in Leica thread mount that are very easily adapted from Nikon and Canon including a marvelous Canon 28mm f/2.8 that is pretty much a pancake lens and Canon and Nikon 50mm f/1.4 lenses that are every bit as good as the pre-aspherical Leica equivalents, which is to say outstanding.

There are also brand new Zeiss and Voigtlander lenses, some of which are outstanding, and some not so much. Bargains include the following and many others:

Zeiss 50mm f/1.5 C Sonnar (vintage portrait look, very distinctive)
Zeiss 50mm f/2 Planar, less than half the price of a Leica Summicron and some think it is even better
Zeiss 35mm f/2 or f/2.8, both outstanding, both reasonably priced
Voigtlander f/2.5 Color Skopar (they come in 28mm, 35mm and 50mm, all are cheap and outstanding
Voigtlander 50mm f/1.5 Nokton ASPH, not much character, but a fantastically sharp and well-behaved lens

It is quite easy to put together an outstanding 2 or 3 lens kit for under $1000. I have a mix of old and modern, very cheap ($200 90mm f/2.8 Elmarit from 1961) to very expensive (Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm f/1.5 Sonnar from 1937, PRICELESS).