Stabilization Question in-body or in-lens?
Jan 14, 2017 10:22:21 #
I'm finally winnowing down my choices for my first mirrorless system. I am down to Fuji or Olympus. I do not have many ducats to spend on camera gear nor will have moving forward (my Canon T1i is finally giving up the ghost at 8 years and counting). I'm probably looking at an OMD E10ii or Fuji X-T10 as the very best I can afford (each with their equivalent f2.8 kit zooms).
Here is my sticking place: In-body stabilization so I can stick any lens on the OLY body and have a stable shooting hand, or in-lens stabilization on the Fuji (but have fewer choices for stabilized shooting)?
I prefer the IQ on the Fuji, but I shoot a lot in low light and the Olympus also seems to have better low light focusing.
Will Fuji eventually bring IBIS to their bodies? I hear than in-lens is superior but money is always going to be a difficulty for me moving forward.
Thoughts and/or Recommendations?
Here is my sticking place: In-body stabilization so I can stick any lens on the OLY body and have a stable shooting hand, or in-lens stabilization on the Fuji (but have fewer choices for stabilized shooting)?
I prefer the IQ on the Fuji, but I shoot a lot in low light and the Olympus also seems to have better low light focusing.
Will Fuji eventually bring IBIS to their bodies? I hear than in-lens is superior but money is always going to be a difficulty for me moving forward.
Thoughts and/or Recommendations?
Jan 14, 2017 10:35:34 #
I prefer in camera body stabilization or dual stabilization. Nice for using vintage or manual focus lenses.
If possible, before you make your final decision try it on for size and ergonomics before you buy. I found that ergonomics is very underrated in mirrorless cameras except for the flagship models. If the camera is not comfortable you won't use it no matter what features it has or at the very least you will be continually irritated when you do use it.
If possible, before you make your final decision try it on for size and ergonomics before you buy. I found that ergonomics is very underrated in mirrorless cameras except for the flagship models. If the camera is not comfortable you won't use it no matter what features it has or at the very least you will be continually irritated when you do use it.
Jan 14, 2017 10:36:39 #
mineart wrote:
I'm finally winnowing down my choices for my first... (show quote)
Every Pentax I presently own, (4 of em) Has in body shake reduction. It's a fantastic feature in each, making every lens I put on them, no problem. When I can get sharp images, hand-holding my 150-450mm lens, even with the Pentax 1.4 rear extender on board, End of argument, end of discussion, for me, anyway!! RJM
Jan 14, 2017 10:42:52 #
digit-up wrote:
Every Pentax I presently own, (4 of em) Has in body shake reduction. It's a fantastic feature in each, making every lens I put on them, no problem. When I can get sharp images, hand-holding my 150-450mm lens, even with the Pentax 1.4 rear extender on board, End of argument, end of discussion, for me, anyway!! RJM
Yay- a Pentax user. My K3-ll has in body stabilization and it's very good. Definitely prefer in body stabilization.
Jan 14, 2017 10:46:12 #
I have Fuji but had an Olympus EM1.
The stabilization of the Oly was freaking amazing...steps above Fuji, if that's important to you. Fuji's prime lenses aren't stabilized. With the Olympus, hand-held video looked like I used a monopod. For me though, the IQ, ergonomics and menu system of the Fuji won out.
The stabilization of the Oly was freaking amazing...steps above Fuji, if that's important to you. Fuji's prime lenses aren't stabilized. With the Olympus, hand-held video looked like I used a monopod. For me though, the IQ, ergonomics and menu system of the Fuji won out.
Jan 14, 2017 11:09:34 #
mineart wrote:
I'm finally winnowing down my choices for my first... (show quote)
Both the brands you mention are well regarded, but you might want to also look at the Canon EOS M5. It has in body stabilization and will work with your stabilized lenses.
It could be the best of both worlds for you.
Jan 14, 2017 12:19:58 #
mineart wrote:
I'm finally winnowing down my choices for my first... (show quote)
Get a used (or new, but I happen to be selling a used one on this site, yes, yet another shameless plug) EM1 rather than the EM10ii. The EM10 only has contrast detect for AF, which is pretty good, but the EM1 has both contrast and phase detect, which is similar to what is in a dslr. I loved the EM1, but the new EM1ii has taken its place in my camera bag.
As to you question, IBIS is the way to go. The OMD cameras have crazy good IS that works with any lens, including old legacy manual focus lenses. As to the IQ, yes Fuji is a bit better, but not as much as you may think. If you subject is still enough, with the Olympus you can reduce the iso and shutter speed taking advantage of the IS, thus giving you a few more stops of light.
Click on my user name to find my personal (non-pro) website for examples.
Jan 14, 2017 12:21:23 #
Thanks to everyone for your thoughts!
I have used both the OMD E10ii and the X-T10 and both work well for me ergonomically.
I have only flirted with the Canon M5 in stores but maybe i do need to try it. I did not love it's ergonomics and I have misgivings about going to Canon or Nikon mirrorless frankly because they have a poor track-record in that space so far whereas both Fuji and Olympus are committed. Also, at close to $1,000 just for the body, it is a bit off putting. I know my Canon glass will work, but frankly it is big, heavy and unwieldy for toting along traveling now that I am a father.
I have used both the OMD E10ii and the X-T10 and both work well for me ergonomically.
I have only flirted with the Canon M5 in stores but maybe i do need to try it. I did not love it's ergonomics and I have misgivings about going to Canon or Nikon mirrorless frankly because they have a poor track-record in that space so far whereas both Fuji and Olympus are committed. Also, at close to $1,000 just for the body, it is a bit off putting. I know my Canon glass will work, but frankly it is big, heavy and unwieldy for toting along traveling now that I am a father.
Jan 14, 2017 12:39:01 #
mineart wrote:
Thanks to everyone for your thoughts! br br I hav... (show quote)
Fair comments. So long as you have looked. Personally I think that Canon is committed to the mirrorless form factor but they are treading cautiously since they potentially have much to lose. Although I think the M5 is interesting, I don't have any problem with DSLRs and I haven't seen any mirrorless camera that I would buy yet from anyone.
Sure the DSLRs and associated lenses are heavier, but I need the exercise and its more fun than going to a gym!
Hope you find what you are looking for!
Jan 14, 2017 12:53:33 #
The focus speed and the IQ are my main sticking points.
Olympus focuses quick, quick. The fuji is slower and struggles. At low ISO I am very happy in both. At high ISO the Only gets noisy in a very tv white noise type of manner. The Fuji gets noisy too, and doesn't stay quite as apparently sharp as the Olympus, but the noise on the Fuji at high ISO reads like film grain, which can be quite attractive. Can sopmeone please stick an X-Trans sensor into an Olympus body for me, pretty please? :-P
Olympus focuses quick, quick. The fuji is slower and struggles. At low ISO I am very happy in both. At high ISO the Only gets noisy in a very tv white noise type of manner. The Fuji gets noisy too, and doesn't stay quite as apparently sharp as the Olympus, but the noise on the Fuji at high ISO reads like film grain, which can be quite attractive. Can sopmeone please stick an X-Trans sensor into an Olympus body for me, pretty please? :-P
Jan 14, 2017 12:56:01 #
Jan 14, 2017 13:53:43 #
mineart wrote:
The focus speed and the IQ are my main sticking po... (show quote)
I think you're making too much of it.
Pitch black room, only lit by a turtle night light. Shot handheld at ISO 16000 (not 1600) 1/25 sec at 75mm (150mm FF eq). The Olympus em1 did just fine. Is it perfect, no, but it captured the moment the way I remember it.
Just as an FYI, I usually stick to 6400 as my max.
Jan 15, 2017 05:54:40 #
I have Fujifilm X with the in-lens IS on all. It is great, especially the 100-400. HOWEVER, I also have Leica with some amazing glass which I use adapted on the Fuji at times and really wish that the Fuji would have in-body IS when I am using that rig.
Jan 15, 2017 06:39:17 #
I went from a Pentax with in body stabilization to a Nikon with stabilization on the lenses. In body is a lot lot better my friend. The Pentax was old but someone with St Vitus dance could get sharp pictures. The Nikon is a better camera but not from a stabilization point of view.
Jan 15, 2017 07:13:32 #
mineart wrote:
I'm finally winnowing down my choices for my first... (show quote)
Lots of good feedback from fellow hoggers (as usual!). If, and ONLY if, you can afford it, rather than finding the cameras in a store and holding it for just a teeny tiny amount of time, renting these cameras for a few days will no doubt let you know which one you prefer. So where do you find camera rental? Look it up online for your own hometown---OR---go to the website lensrentals.com. Right now, you can rent the Olympus with its 14-42 lens for 7 days at only $80.00. See it here:
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https://www.lensrentals.com/rent/olympus-14-42mm-f3.5-5.6-ez
The Fuji rental is found here and is only $87.00 for 7 days:
https://www.lensrentals.com/rent/fuji-x-t10
https://www.lensrentals.com/rent/fuji-xf-18-55mm-f2.8-4-r-lm-ois
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