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Jan 3, 2017 23:25:03   #
Dragonophile
 
I am looking for a backup camera to my DSLR. I want a camera to just throw in the car to take pictures of birds and/or ships I may come across when I am out and about for reasons other than photography. If I go on a dedicated bird or ship expedition, I will want my DSLR.

MY question for any who might own or have used the II version, will I be satisfied or disappointed in the IQ? It has a 1" sensor so that should be a strike against it compared to my APS-C. I rarely print over 8X10 or so. This is a very expensive camera (for me) and I don't want to spend the money if I would be disappointed in detail/sharpness. I have looked at some pictures on the web and the results I have seen look pretty impressive. It seems to produce at least marginally better images than the Panasonic FZ1000/FZ25000. I don't care about video.

Anyone with hands on experience with this and a good DSLR: what is your view on IQ, especially at the upper telephoto range?

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Jan 4, 2017 00:40:23   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
Dragonophile wrote:
I am looking for a backup camera to my DSLR. I want a camera to just throw in the car to take pictures of birds and/or ships I may come across when I am out and about for reasons other than photography. If I go on a dedicated bird or ship expedition, I will want my DSLR.

MY question for any who might own or have used the II version, will I be satisfied or disappointed in the IQ? It has a 1" sensor so that should be a strike against it compared to my APS-C. I rarely print over 8X10 or so. This is a very expensive camera (for me) and I don't want to spend the money if I would be disappointed in detail/sharpness. I have looked at some pictures on the web and the results I have seen look pretty impressive. It seems to produce at least marginally better images than the Panasonic FZ1000/FZ25000. I don't care about video.

Anyone with hands on experience with this and a good DSLR: what is your view on IQ, especially at the upper telephoto range?
I am looking for a backup camera to my DSLR. I wan... (show quote)

Is it more than the. rX 2 I think it is around $1600 , but it was rated very good 😊

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Jan 4, 2017 01:06:25   #
Dragonophile
 
Sorry, I did make a mistake. I should have said RX10 III. This is the new one that goes to 600mm and it does cost about $1600. Very expensive for a 1" sensor unless it is very very good.

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Jan 4, 2017 06:08:14   #
jimfullwood Loc: Sarasota, but Ex pat from UK
 
Go for the FZ1000 unless you really need the extra reach, its been my go to for a couple of years, I think if you search here fro images you will see it has fantastic IQ.

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Jan 4, 2017 08:45:12   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Dragonophile wrote:
I am looking for a backup camera to my DSLR. I want a camera to just throw in the car to take pictures of birds and/or ships I may come across when I am out and about for reasons other than photography. If I go on a dedicated bird or ship expedition, I will want my DSLR.

MY question for any who might own or have used the II version, will I be satisfied or disappointed in the IQ? It has a 1" sensor so that should be a strike against it compared to my APS-C. I rarely print over 8X10 or so. This is a very expensive camera (for me) and I don't want to spend the money if I would be disappointed in detail/sharpness. I have looked at some pictures on the web and the results I have seen look pretty impressive. It seems to produce at least marginally better images than the Panasonic FZ1000/FZ25000. I don't care about video.

Anyone with hands on experience with this and a good DSLR: what is your view on IQ, especially at the upper telephoto range?
I am looking for a backup camera to my DSLR. I wan... (show quote)


Save your money, it is way over priced, get a used MINT Sony DCS-HX50V. Longer telephoto, 720 mm, smaller size, just as sharp and you will have extra money in your pocket. And, you will be happier.

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Jan 4, 2017 09:09:48   #
tinplater Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
I have owned Canon DSLR (5dII, 6d, 70 d and still have SL1), Sony A7rII, A6000, and to this discussion the RX10, RX10 III, and then repurchased the RX10 first version. You can get that camera used for around $400 and in my opinion it is the best value in photography (Zeiss 2.8 constant aperture). The RX10 III doesn't have constant 2.8 aperture so it's only major advantage is the 600mm effective reach. If you really need that range then the RX10 will not serve you as well, but if you can live without the extra 200-600mm the original RX10 is a superb do everything camera. If I am limited to a one camera one lens decision, I almost always reach for the Sony. I would strongly suggest you consider buying or renting the camera, give it a try, and if not for you resell on Ebay (if you purchased your copy) where you will end up paying 10% so your out of pocket cost should be in the $35 to $40 range.

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Jan 4, 2017 10:54:36   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Dragonophile wrote:
I am looking for a backup camera to my DSLR. I want a camera to just throw in the car to take pictures of birds and/or ships I may come across when I am out and about for reasons other than photography. If I go on a dedicated bird or ship expedition, I will want my DSLR.

MY question for any who might own or have used the II version, will I be satisfied or disappointed in the IQ? It has a 1" sensor so that should be a strike against it compared to my APS-C. I rarely print over 8X10 or so. This is a very expensive camera (for me) and I don't want to spend the money if I would be disappointed in detail/sharpness. I have looked at some pictures on the web and the results I have seen look pretty impressive. It seems to produce at least marginally better images than the Panasonic FZ1000/FZ25000. I don't care about video.

Anyone with hands on experience with this and a good DSLR: what is your view on IQ, especially at the upper telephoto range?
I am looking for a backup camera to my DSLR. I wan... (show quote)


You really do not need the II version - expensive!- Get the I version .......or, if you have $1500 - the III version.

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Jan 4, 2017 11:59:11   #
goring2
 
I have the RX10 III but I'm not using it!

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Jan 4, 2017 12:32:52   #
Dragonophile
 
My question has not been directly addressed. Let me ask differently. I see a deer in the field. With my Nikon or Canon crop DSLR I take a picture at 100 and 400me. Then I take the same two pictures with a 1" sensor camera like the RX10. I print all pictures at 8X10. Can someone looking at the pictures easily pick out the DSLR pictures? If yes, how easily? At a normal viewing distance and glance or only with careful scrutiny?

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Jan 4, 2017 13:10:14   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
I have the original RX-10. It consistently beats out my Olympus EM-5 and the Sony Nex-7 with most lenses. The only competition I have for it is the 18-105 "G" lens on the Nex-7. The 1" sensor is so well matched to the Zeiss glass, and the processor, that perfect shots are easy to come by. If money is no object, I certainly concur with the RX-10 lll. If you want to save money, buy a used original. They are great cameras.

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Jan 4, 2017 13:43:52   #
billw39 Loc: MARIETTA, GA
 
For IQ, on 8X10" prints, I doubt you will be able to tell the difference between a 1" sensor and an APS-C sensor if each were taken with high quality camera/lens combination.

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Jan 4, 2017 14:34:50   #
magnetoman Loc: Purbeck, Dorset, UK
 
Dragonophile wrote:
My question has not been directly addressed. Let me ask differently. I see a deer in the field. With my Nikon or Canon crop DSLR I take a picture at 100 and 400me. Then I take the same two pictures with a 1" sensor camera like the RX10. I print all pictures at 8X10. Can someone looking at the pictures easily pick out the DSLR pictures? If yes, how easily? At a normal viewing distance and glance or only with careful scrutiny?


Well I would be able to - I shoot with a 5D3+100-400lens+1.4 extender(=560mm) and the RX10/3. The Canon set-up gives far preferable results in sharpness and bokeh. The Sony gives a rather contrasty result, but that can be adjusted. That said, if I'm just walking, rather than out to shoot something specific, I take the lighter Sony - I'm in my seventies and if I don't need the weight I don't carry it.

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Jan 4, 2017 15:27:44   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
I have been EXTREMELY pleased with the results from my Sony HX-50HS. Even compared with my D800e up to 11 by 14.

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Jan 4, 2017 15:28:44   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
I have been EXTREMELY pleased with the results from my Sony HX-50HS. Even compared with my D800e up to 11 by 14.
The long reach does require some refinement of technique I found.

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Jan 4, 2017 16:37:02   #
jackpi Loc: Southwest Ohio
 
Dragonophile wrote:
I am looking for a backup camera to my DSLR. I want a camera to just throw in the car to take pictures of birds and/or ships I may come across when I am out and about for reasons other than photography. If I go on a dedicated bird or ship expedition, I will want my DSLR.

MY question for any who might own or have used the II version, will I be satisfied or disappointed in the IQ? It has a 1" sensor so that should be a strike against it compared to my APS-C. I rarely print over 8X10 or so. This is a very expensive camera (for me) and I don't want to spend the money if I would be disappointed in detail/sharpness. I have looked at some pictures on the web and the results I have seen look pretty impressive. It seems to produce at least marginally better images than the Panasonic FZ1000/FZ25000. I don't care about video.

Anyone with hands on experience with this and a good DSLR: what is your view on IQ, especially at the upper telephoto range?
I am looking for a backup camera to my DSLR. I wan... (show quote)

I've got FF, APS-C, and 1". In good light, you will be very happy. At 8x10 with good light you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between an image taken with a 1" sensor or one taken with an APS-C sensor.

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