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Dec 30, 2016 09:10:36   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
cjc2 wrote:
The new Nikon 300/4 PF is one amazing lens! I have owned one since release and have been choosing it over its 2.8 cousin on many occasions. So light and fantastic VR!


Thanks for the info, cj!! I've just about got enough saved up.

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Dec 30, 2016 09:35:11   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
SteveR wrote:
Alright. Steve Perry. Now...you gotta watchit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1obqCxg52Q


Thanks for posting :)

Just to clarify, I like to think that my 1-copy-in-3 was just bad luck on my part (although, when photography life tested it, they sent back 2 out of 5 copies).

But hey, when you get a good one, it really is something special!

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Dec 30, 2016 09:59:00   #
NikonCharlie Loc: Kansas USA
 
200-500, I've had two (still have one) and both were pretty darn good. When I compared to the 500 f4, sure I see sight shortcomings, but the 500 cost what 5 of the 200-500's cost. I call it a heck of a bargain, seriously. I've not/don't care to use the Sigma or Tamron offerings.

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Dec 30, 2016 15:22:15   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Steve Perry wrote:
Thanks for posting :)

Just to clarify, I like to think that my 1-copy-in-3 was just bad luck on my part (although, when photography life tested it, they sent back 2 out of 5 copies).

But hey, when you get a good one, it really is something special!


Wow!! Who knows who might be watching!! Anyway, Steve, while I've got your attention I've got a question. cjc2 just gave an outstanding recommendation for the 300mm f4. I'm about to bite. However, I have also heard that the newest version of the 80-400mm is also excellent. So....how would you compare THOSE two?

BTW....Like your first name!! I could live with that!!

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Dec 30, 2016 15:25:39   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
SteveR wrote:
Wow!! Who knows who might be watching!! Anyway, Steve, while I've got your attention I've got a question. cjc2 just gave an outstanding recommendation for the 300mm f4. I'm about to bite. However, I have also heard that the newest version of the 80-400mm is also excellent. So....how would you compare THOSE two?

BTW....Like your first name!! I could live with that!!


Not that the 80-400 isn't a nice lens, but I would take the 300/4 PF over it in a New York minute! Faster, fixed Focal length, fantastic VR and sharp as a tack! YMMV!

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Dec 30, 2016 16:00:30   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
SteveR wrote:
Wow!! Who knows who might be watching!! Anyway, Steve, while I've got your attention I've got a question. cjc2 just gave an outstanding recommendation for the 300mm f4. I'm about to bite. However, I have also heard that the newest version of the 80-400mm is also excellent. So....how would you compare THOSE two?

BTW....Like your first name!! I could live with that!!


I have both the 80-400 and the 300PF. I like them both, but use them differently.

I tend to use the 80-400 when I think I'm going to need a wide zoom range (not just 400mm). I use it as a longer landscape lens sometimes, as well as for wildlife. Its good from the car as well, the zoom makes it handy to quickly frame up your subject from a fixed position (the 300 PF from the car isn't as fun). However, I also have a 200-500 and when I'm doing wildlife with the zoom, I actually tend to favor that one. Anymore, my 80-400 gets called when I'm going on a trip where I need a minimum of gear - usually a landscape trip. I'll have my D810, the 14-24, 24-70, and 80-400. The 80-400 works good (not great) as a landscape lens when I need to get beyond what my 24-70 can do, and it doubles as a wildlife lens should I run into something.

The 300 PF is all wildlife for me. The AF is faster and more reliable than the 80-400 and it's sharper at 300mm than the zoom. It compact size make it great to strap onto a D500 and take on a hike (450mm FX FOV). I also tend to keep a 1.4TC in my pocket on those hikes and end up with a very versatile high quality setup that is super compact and lightweight.

So, all depends on what you're doing with it. From a performance standpoint, 300 PF all the way, from a versatility standpoint, 80-400.

LOL - Great name too :)

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Dec 30, 2016 16:03:36   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
cjc2 wrote:
Not that the 80-400 isn't a nice lens, but I would take the 300/4 PF over it in a New York minute! Faster, fixed Focal length, fantastic VR and sharp as a tack! YMMV!


I hear ya. Judy 2011 uses the new Canon 100-400L VRII and gets some fabulous wildlife images. If the 80-400 is comparable, with the flexibility that the L lens provides, it would have to be considered. Also, combine it with a camera like the D500 it could be an awesome sports lens. Both could. That's why I have to ask the question. Fortunately, Arlington Camera would let me try out both before purchasing. Arlington Camera also allows me to put the rental cost of a lens toward the purchase price of a new lens of the same type if I should decide to do so. Win-win. Great place.

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Dec 30, 2016 16:18:47   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
Steve Perry wrote:
I have both the 80-400 and the 300PF. I like them both, but use them differently.

I tend to use the 80-400 when I think I'm going to need a wide zoom range (not just 400mm). I use it as a longer landscape lens sometimes, as well as for wildlife. Its good from the car as well, the zoom makes it handy to quickly frame up your subject from a fixed position (the 300 PF from the car isn't as fun). However, I also have a 200-500 and when I'm doing wildlife with the zoom, I actually tend to favor that one. Anymore, my 80-400 gets called when I'm going on a trip where I need a minimum of gear - usually a landscape trip. I'll have my D810, the 14-24, 24-70, and 80-400. The 80-400 works good (not great) as a landscape lens when I need to get beyond what my 24-70 can do, and it doubles as a wildlife lens should I run into something.

The 300 PF is all wildlife for me. The AF is faster and more reliable than the 80-400 and it's sharper at 300mm than the zoom. It compact size make it great to strap onto a D500 and take on a hike (450mm FX FOV). I also tend to keep a 1.4TC in my pocket on those hikes and end up with a very versatile high quality setup that is super compact and lightweight.

So, all depends on what you're doing with it. From a performance standpoint, 300 PF all the way, from a versatility standpoint, 80-400.

LOL - Great name too :)
I have both the 80-400 and the 300PF. I like them ... (show quote)


I too have an 80-400 and I love to use it on my D7100 (crop sensor) though it works well on my D610 (full frame). Mine is the older version that doesn't have the built-in focus motor so it is slower focusing. But, If you generally shoot long shots at the extreme or nearly extreme focus, the focus speed isn't an issue. It tends to be my go to long lens.

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Dec 30, 2016 16:20:52   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Steve Perry wrote:
I have both the 80-400 and the 300PF. I like them both, but use them differently.

I tend to use the 80-400 when I think I'm going to need a wide zoom range (not just 400mm). I use it as a longer landscape lens sometimes, as well as for wildlife. Its good from the car as well, the zoom makes it handy to quickly frame up your subject from a fixed position (the 300 PF from the car isn't as fun). However, I also have a 200-500 and when I'm doing wildlife with the zoom, I actually tend to favor that one. Anymore, my 80-400 gets called when I'm going on a trip where I need a minimum of gear - usually a landscape trip. I'll have my D810, the 14-24, 24-70, and 80-400. The 80-400 works good (not great) as a landscape lens when I need to get beyond what my 24-70 can do, and it doubles as a wildlife lens should I run into something.

The 300 PF is all wildlife for me. The AF is faster and more reliable than the 80-400 and it's sharper at 300mm than the zoom. It compact size make it great to strap onto a D500 and take on a hike (450mm FX FOV). I also tend to keep a 1.4TC in my pocket on those hikes and end up with a very versatile high quality setup that is super compact and lightweight. He also used the optional flash controller that fits where the speed flash normally fits. He did not use the internal flash command of the camera. He was also using the optional speed light command module that fits where the speed light goes on the 810 rather than the internal command system of the 810 itself.

So, all depends on what you're doing with it. From a performance standpoint, 300 PF all the way, from a versatility standpoint, 80-400.

LOL - Great name too :)
I have both the 80-400 and the 300PF. I like them ... (show quote)


I was wondering about the 80-400 for shooting sports...like Little League, where you might not always want 300mm.

About the D810. I had a Dr. appt. today and in the lobby area, a photographer on the staff of UTSW was taking a photograph of a new employee. Of course I had questions. He used a D810, and told me how much sharper it was than the D800 (which I have). He cropped the image of the portrait he took and it was amazingly sharp. He used a 24-120 f4 lens. Although he has the 24-70 f2.8, he finds the extra reach of the 24-120 highly beneficial and doesn't see any loss in sharpness, although he doesn't know if it's the lens or the camera.

His setup was very simple. He used a tall stand with probably a SB910 attached. The regular Nikon diffuser was attached to the front of the SB910 and he shot through an umbrella which was also attached to the stand. Behind his subject was a second SB910 (diffuser attached) which was used to take out shadows projected against the background. Simple but very effective and easy to set up and move.

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Dec 30, 2016 16:45:37   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
SteveR wrote:
I was wondering about the 80-400 for shooting sports...like Little League, where you might not always want 300mm.

About the D810. I had a Dr. appt. today and in the lobby area, a photographer on the staff of UTSW was taking a photograph of a new employee. Of course I had questions. He used a D810, and told me how much sharper it was than the D800 (which I have). He cropped the image of the portrait he took and it was amazingly sharp. He used a 24-120 f4 lens. Although he has the 24-70 f2.8, he finds the extra reach of the 24-120 highly beneficial and doesn't see any loss in sharpness, although he doesn't know if it's the lens or the camera.

His setup was very simple. He used a tall stand with probably a SB910 attached. The regular Nikon diffuser was attached to the front of the SB910 and he shot through an umbrella which was also attached to the stand. Behind his subject was a second SB910 (diffuser attached) which was used to take out shadows projected against the background. Simple but very effective and easy to set up and move.
I was wondering about the 80-400 for shooting spor... (show quote)


The 300 PF works best when you can move around with it, so for little league where that might not be an option, the 80-400 might be the better choice. The thing is, there's no perfect lens for every occasion. There will always be times if you get the 300 PF you'll wish you had the 80-400 - or if you get the 80-400 you'll wish you had the 300 PF. The trick is figuring out which decision will be right for YOU most of the time :)

As the the photographer guy, I don't know... The D800 has an AA filter, so it's about 15% less sharp than the D810 (or D800e). It's not a real noticeable difference IMO. On the other hand, the 24-70 should be sharper at every aperture than the 24-120, so I'm not sure what the heck is going on with that guy! I do like the light setup, I used something similar in the past before I started doing wildlife and landscapes full time.

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