Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

'Twould be reasonable were it a disagreement on such as " what is art?" or "what is the meaning of life?" . But misunderstandings on the basic principle of proper raw image data exposure and perceiving the underlying logic of the relationships among maximum available dynamic range, the concept of the brightest available stop of exposure, and the potential tonal and chromatic benefits devolving from the format's bit-depth are not to be dismissed as mere infinitely arguable yet irresoluble subjective matters of faith as opposed to matters of fact and reason.

Thus, the discussion shall continue!

Best to all,

Dave

steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA

Let me boil it down so that those, like myself, who get bogged down in the technical terms can enjoy the debate:
"I'm right, he's wrong!"
"No, I'm right, he's wrong!"
Repeat ad infinitum.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

I wouldn't waste "your" time trying to convince selmsli about ettr but you are in charge of your time, so keep doing it.

I happen to watch 2 pro shooters videos in the last few days and both practice ETTR. One of them is a Nat Geo/Pulitzer prize winner. I somehow feel that those pros know a bit more than our self appointed "expert".

Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

Hi, Tdekany,
Please don't mistake any of my efforts as being aimed at trying to convince Selmslie of anything! He is of closed mind on the matter and beyond help, yet he is ceaseless in his purposeful attempts to dissuade others from becoming aware of the advisability, much less the benefits of use of their camera's full complement of raw-accessible DR...much in the manner of the "dog in the manger".

Would you please post links to the "2 pro shooters videos" you mentioned?

Thanks,
Dave

tdekany Loc: Oregon

I will in a little bit.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

While this dialog is about the em1 mark 2, He talks about he uses ETTR.

http://youtu.be/0LojM0DPIJ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Kfr8RG3zM

http://youtu.be/t7a54CWqJGQ

minniev Loc: MIssissippi

I will preface this by stating that I don't have a dog in this fight. As I've said before, I use the principles of ETTR as I have learned them applicable to my camera. That means using the histogram and highlight/shadow blinkies in the EVF prior to shooting, and my own testing to determine how much blinkie my camera will tolerate on highlights before I'm in danger.

Spencer Cox's article in Photography Life is very interesting but even more interesting is the comment section which has the valuable input of Iliah Borg. And since Cox is talking about currently used Nikon cameras, the information is certainly not outdated. https://photographylife.com/exposing-to-the-right-explained

I learned about ETTR from Gollywop, a writer for DPR who then used mirrorless cameras like mine, and now shoots Fuji, and what she said made it made sense to me. ETTR isn't always about overexposing. It can be about underexposing too. What matters most are the values on the bright end, and what you know about your own camera. (and of course what sacrifices you're willing to make, always the case in photography) https://www.dpreview.com/articles/6641165460/ettr-exposed

I hope no one will try to drag me into an argument because I don't have any particular expertise, I just read the info like most of us, and apply it in a way that best helps me do what I want to do.