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Dec 16, 2016 06:37:05   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
billnikon wrote:
That a can of worms. I have photographed for over 50 years and none of my lenses have ever been fine tuned. I own a Nikon 300 2.8 and the 200-500 5.6 and I have shot them on five different Nikon digital DSLR's platforms, both lens are sharp as a tack with no adjustments EVER needed. With today's focusing systems and post production processing sharpening it comes down to the individual. And folks who are able to fine turn sometimes are never quite pleased with the results. These are the same people who get the BAD COPY of a lens and return it. Like I said, maybe I am just lucky that ALL of my auto focus lenses focus great or maybe I don't get out a microscope and look for flaws in my images. Most of my show work is printed to 20X30 and they look sharp to me and to the folks who buy them. But hey, who am I, just a guy who loves photography.
That a can of worms. I have photographed for over ... (show quote)


Easy,Bill! Take a few deep breaths and kick back! Too early!

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Dec 16, 2016 07:21:17   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
tbone1130 wrote:
Hi,
Is it advantageous to calibrate your lenses to your camera or just a waste of money buying the gage to do it? If it is is it only good for prime lenses or is it good for telephoto also.
As always thanks
Tom


I've managed to get by these past fifty years without calibrating my lenses, even though I have the charts and directions. The first step is simple. Set up a test stand and test your lenses for focus.

Focusing Charts
http://mansurovs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Siemens-Star-Focus-Chart.pdf
http://mansurovs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Focus-Test-Chart.pdf
http://regex.info/blog/photo-tech/focus-chart

How to Check Focus
http://photographylife.com/how-to-quickly-test-your-dslr-for-autofocus-issues
http://www.nphotomag.com/2013/03/05/how-to-recalibrate-your-nikon-dslrs-af-autofocus/
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/are_your_pictures_out_of_focus.shtml
http://regex.info/blog/photo-tech/focus-chart#features
https://photographylife.com/how-to-quickly-test-your-dslr-for-autofocus-issues
https://photographylife.com/how-to-calibrate-lenses
http://www.canonrumors.com/tech-articles/this-lens-is-soft-and-other-myths/
http://cameralightlens.com/newsblog/?p=264
http://digital-photography-school.com/how-to-do-autofocus-fine-tuning-on-your-nikon-dslr/

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Dec 16, 2016 07:28:33   #
Revet Loc: Fairview Park, Ohio
 
cpkeith wrote:
You don't need to waste money on any special gauges. I use a Kleenex box and incline a ruler next to it and get great results. The technique is in how you take the photos so that you can make a good and accurate determination regarding calibration and adjustments. YOUTUBE has some good tutorials and I teach a class on Auto Focus Micro Adjustment (calibration) if you are interested in the class materials ( free).😀


I used a similar method for years and I thought I was getting good results. Last year, I received Lens Align and Focus tune software as a gift. I couldn't believe how variable the results were when plotted out with the Focus Tune software. Sometimes as much as 15 on the camera micro adjustment (Nikon D7100). The Focus tune software throws out those outlying points and plots a curve which shows which camera micro adjustment setting is correct MOST OFTEN for your camera and lens combo. I ended up changing all of my lenses between 4 to 7 micro-adjustment values on the camera and I did see a noticeable difference in the sharpness of the lenses when I used them wide open (with the focus tune settings vs the ruler:target method).

I would have never bought the software nor the alignment tool since I thought I was getting good results with the target and ruler method. I am a firm believer in the software now. You could do the same thing with the ruler and target method by shooting multiple points at each micro-adjustment camera level and then hand plotting them, the software just makes it faster and easier. You probably discuss this variability issue in your course but I thought it important to mention since most of the YOUTUBE's on micro-adjustment auto focus don't mention it.

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Dec 16, 2016 07:36:43   #
NormanTheGr8 Loc: Racine, Wisconsin
 
tbone1130 wrote:
CP,
Thanks!! I'm definitely interested in your class materials. Always interested in learning something new. How would I get them?

Tom


Me too

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Dec 16, 2016 07:43:23   #
charlespkeith
 
Unfortunately, your camera (3200) does not have micro focus adjust capability. Nikon can adjust it for you but before you send it in to the black hole, I strongly recommend that you do some "target" shooting using a tripod, VR=off, mirror up, wide open (f1.4 or 1.8 = whatever is the widest your lens will go), timer or remote, and shoot indoors without any wind interference. Set your zoom lens to its lowest mm and shoot 5 shots, then telephoto out and shoot another five shots. Compare the photos (zooms to zooms, close-up to close-up and zooms to close-up) and make notes on consistency within each set and between sets. Then you will have a better idea of the origin of the soft photos.

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Dec 16, 2016 07:47:04   #
charlespkeith
 
Regarding the use of target and software: Yep....the software gets really precise as opposed to just making a judgement by eye. I don't teach the software because most people dont buy it or they rely too much on it. My course is so that they understand the mechanics of what is going on. Additionally, I show them a quick field method for checking as well. Your point about the software is a good one and those that want to go that route will certainly benefit. Thanks for bringing that up.

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Dec 16, 2016 07:53:43   #
charlespkeith
 
NormanTheGr8 wrote:
Me too


I'll see if I can attach the file(s) to a post in this discussion. If not, I can post them in my Dropbox and give you the link to download the files. Otherwise, I need your email addresses to do it the old fashioned way.

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Dec 16, 2016 08:55:53   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
billnikon wrote:
That a can of worms. I have photographed for over 50 years and none of my lenses have ever been fine tuned. I own a Nikon 300 2.8 and the 200-500 5.6 and I have shot them on five different Nikon digital DSLR's platforms, both lens are sharp as a tack with no adjustments EVER needed. With today's focusing systems and post production processing sharpening it comes down to the individual. And folks who are able to fine turn sometimes are never quite pleased with the results. These are the same people who get the BAD COPY of a lens and return it. Like I said, maybe I am just lucky that ALL of my auto focus lenses focus great or maybe I don't get out a microscope and look for flaws in my images. Most of my show work is printed to 20X30 and they look sharp to me and to the folks who buy them. But hey, who am I, just a guy who loves photography.
That a can of worms. I have photographed for over ... (show quote)



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Dec 16, 2016 09:29:30   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Bill Emmett wrote:
A couple years ago, when I bought my 6D, I noticed some of my Canon "L" lenses were not quite as crisp as I felt they should be. I also noticed my focus point was a little off. So, I pulled the main offenders, and took some careful shots for testing purposing. I did some really close pixel peeping and found these lenses were either front or back focusing slightly. I tried several suggested was to adjust the problem out of the lenses, but sometimes the situation got even worse. It was suggested to try FoCal, from Reiken Techology, in Great Britain. I bought a copy of the program, read the manual, and set-up and tested my lenses, even the zooms. Problem solved. FoCal has recently come out with a real upgrade, and it really takes out front/back focus but really puts out a full set of graphs on how your lens is performing on your camera. The system is rather easy to set-up, but you need a sturdy tripod, and area large enough to put up a target, and adjust the distance from the target to the camera. Lighting is important too. I use a 100 watt bulb in a clamp on fixture, clamped to a chair back. The program will also tell you if the lighting is proper. Just set-up your camera to the program specs, and allow it to run. The program will take several shots of the target, and give a print out, if desired of the calibration, color rendering, and more. If you select full auto, it will make the adjustment in your camera for you. The system so easy to set-up, and execute that I use it almost every time I have a paid shoot for all the lenses I plan to use. FoCal can also tell you if something has happened to your lens over time. Like a wide swing in adjustment from one time to another, indicates something has happened within the lens. I feel that any photographer, who is seeking that tack sharp image, must make exact micro-adjustment to their lenses to body. It really makes a difference in the final output of your product.

B
A couple years ago, when I bought my 6D, I noticed... (show quote)


👍👍👍👍 Focal is easy and precise (and can make a real difference on some lenses). I have two primes that would be unacceptably soft (at least to me), but are tack sharp with considerable MFA correction.

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Dec 16, 2016 09:51:33   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
Revet wrote:
I used a similar method for years and I thought I was getting good results. Last year, I received Lens Align and Focus tune software as a gift. I couldn't believe how variable the results were when plotted out with the Focus Tune software. Sometimes as much as 15 on the camera micro adjustment (Nikon D7100). The Focus tune software throws out those outlying points and plots a curve which shows which camera micro adjustment setting is correct MOST OFTEN for your camera and lens combo. I ended up changing all of my lenses between 4 to 7 micro-adjustment values on the camera and I did see a noticeable difference in the sharpness of the lenses when I used them wide open (with the focus tune settings vs the ruler:target method).

I would have never bought the software nor the alignment tool since I thought I was getting good results with the target and ruler method. I am a firm believer in the software now. You could do the same thing with the ruler and target method by shooting multiple points at each micro-adjustment camera level and then hand plotting them, the software just makes it faster and easier. You probably discuss this variability issue in your course but I thought it important to mention since most of the YOUTUBE's on micro-adjustment auto focus don't mention it.
I used a similar method for years and I thought I ... (show quote)


My exact experience as well.

I started with the ruler setup, but once I learned how it actually works, I realized just how error-prone setting up a ruler and checking your lenses was. I'm a fan of Len Align as well and once you understand how tuning really works (as you say, the setting that gets you the best results most often), you'll quickly realize it's the only way to fly. Everything else is rough guesswork by comparison.

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Dec 16, 2016 10:09:05   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
tbone1130 wrote:
Hi,
Is it advantageous to calibrate your lenses to your camera or just a waste of money buying the gage to do it? If it is is it only good for prime lenses or is it good for telephoto also.
As always thanks
Tom


As previous posts have already stated, it's not necessary to "buy a gauge" to do lens calibration. Some have suggested ways to use a homemade device. Actually all you need is a target of some sort.

If you're going to spend money to do calibration, and your particular camera is supported by it, I'd get Reikan FoCal software that automates the calibration process. IMO, that's worth the cost just for the speed and accuracy of the process.

https://www.reikan.co.uk/focalweb/
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1194556-REG/reikan_focal_98000_focal_pro_lens_calibration.html
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1194553-REG/reikan_focal_98001_focal_plus_calibration_software.html/prm/alsVwDtl

Some older cameras offered only one adjustment per lens, which was fine with primes but not great for zooms. With zooms you might have to compromise, if the amount of adjustment needed was different at the two extremes of the zoom's focal length range. You still might be able to get some improvement, though, even with a compromise for a zoom.

But most newer cameras with lens calibration now offer two adjustments with zooms, so might be more effective with zooms than the earlier type.

Some lenses can now be user calibrated, too. Sigma's USB dock lenses, for example.

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Dec 16, 2016 10:22:36   #
catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway
 
Every Canon L lens I have has needed micro adjustment. There is a fine line between sharp and soft when it comes to wide open aperture. Lens/ camera body tolerances come into play when two parts of different manufacture come together. I have a 50mm f/1.2L that could not be adjusted and was outside the adjustment scale on my 5d mkiii... low and behold is within the scale of adjustment, tack sharp and perfect on my mk4. This can happen. If a lens is as sharp as advertised out of the box...you just plain got lucky!

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Dec 16, 2016 10:34:15   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
tbone1130 wrote:
Hi,
Is it advantageous to calibrate your lenses to your camera or just a waste of money buying the gage to do it? If it is is it only good for prime lenses or is it good for telephoto also.
As always thanks
Tom


Only if you have a dSLR or SLR... With reflex cameras, the wider the aperture, the shallower the depth of field, and hence, the greater is the need for lens calibration.

Mirrorless cameras do not require lens calibration, ever. They focus directly from the sensor. If it's in focus in the EVF or on the LCD screen, well, it's in focus. Any error is on you in manual mode, and on you for not using the AF features correctly, otherwise.

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Dec 16, 2016 11:19:50   #
romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI
 
tbone1130 wrote:
Hi,
Is it advantageous to calibrate your lenses to your camera or just a waste of money buying the gage to do it? If it is is it only good for prime lenses or is it good for telephoto also.
As always thanks
Tom


You can fabricate your own calibration scale from a ruler mounted at a 45degree angle. Just be sure the markings are engraved or etched, not printed on it so you can see the fall off in front or behind your focus point. If you Google "DIY camera lens calibration" you'll find articles to guide you.

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Dec 16, 2016 16:32:58   #
catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway
 
Save money is with a fabricated 45 degree ruler but also shoot with the lens wide open and in monochrome mode. Also pick something close and finite to check focus after the adjustment and compare the result. weather can also have an effect with fine adjustment due to materials expanding and contracting.

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