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Dec 9, 2016 14:05:45   #
skingfong Loc: Sacramento
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
They make omni directional microphones, but the god ones are quite pricey.


omni directional will pick up everything It won't isolate the subject. It will do the exact opposite. I do freelance recording and producing for bands. Cardiod mics are used to help isolate sound for each instrument.

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Dec 9, 2016 14:47:18   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I post videos for fun on youtube and have some experience with editing video and audio as well. I would try to eq the voices to see if I could minimize the other voices. There's no way to do this automatically, you would need an audio editor and the ability to move in to the exact spots you want to change. Another solution would be to provide subtitles where the crosstalk interferes with understanding what the subject is saying. You could do this with a video editor.

GENorkus wrote:
When doing a simple interview recording, the camera sound is doing it's thing and normally does a great job copying the voices. Unfortunately another couple started talking on the side and became recorded also. (two conversations at once)

Does anyone know of a program that will separate the voices, or reasonable so, to make it more understandable?
(The less expensive the better.)

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Dec 9, 2016 15:26:44   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
GENorkus wrote:
When doing a simple interview recording, the camera sound is doing it's thing and normally does a great job copying the voices. Unfortunately another couple started talking on the side and became recorded also. (two conversations at once)

Does anyone know of a program that will separate the voices, or reasonable so, to make it more understandable?
(The less expensive the better.)
I used to do that back in the film days and there was not a program, but you recorded to a recorder/band machine for the sound and not to the camera. That way, when I was back home, I could just cut out any additional(unwanted) sound (which there was very little, because I used a lot of different mikes for different purposes). I did call a 6-plate-cutting-table my own, so that made things a lot easier, but it can be done in a minimal way! In short, I would never use the (a) camera for recording the sound, only the pictures!! You'll be able to cut some unwanted sound in Photoshop, but it is time consuming and by no means perfect!

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Dec 9, 2016 15:39:35   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
The best I have found is to use Adobe Premiere Pro and Adobe Audition which work together as a video/audio editor. Makes it easy to edit all your audio and video tracks together on the video timeline. You can cut the audio and video wherever you want, so that just the audio you want comes up in the audio editor.
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speters wrote:
I used to do that back in the film days and there was not a program, but you recorded to a recorder/band machine for the sound and not to the camera. That way, when I was back home, I could just cut out any additional(unwanted) sound (which there was very little, because I used a lot of different mikes for different purposes). I did call a 6-plate-cutting-table my own, so that made things a lot easier, but it can be done in a minimal way! In short, I would never use the (a) camera for recording the sound, only the pictures!! You'll be able to cut some unwanted sound in Photoshop, but it is time consuming and by no means perfect!
I used to do that back in the film days and there... (show quote)

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Dec 9, 2016 15:50:27   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
I use a zoom H1 for audio recording with a dead cat stuffed over the end it produces a pretty good result. It's popular for radio recordings. I don't know what the Pro's think to it.

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Dec 9, 2016 15:55:49   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I'm very happy with zoom recording equipment. I started with their two input 8 track recorder, presently use the Zoom R16 which can take up to 8 inputs. I generally only use the dslr audio to sync the zoom tracks to the video, then mute the camera audio track.

blackest wrote:
I use a zoom H1 for audio recording with a dead cat stuffed over the end it produces a pretty good result. It's popular for radio recordings. I don't know what the Pro's think to it.

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Dec 9, 2016 16:12:25   #
whitewolfowner
 
skingfong wrote:
omni directional will pick up everything It won't isolate the subject. It will do the exact opposite. I do freelance recording and producing for bands. Cardiod mics are used to help isolate sound for each instrument.




You are right, I gave the wrong term. I meant a microphone that picked up from one direction.

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Dec 9, 2016 16:26:16   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
You are right, I gave the wrong term. I meant a microphone that picked up from one direction.


Easy to do - those spellcheckers will kill you... 😩. My worst was an email to our lead SE, whose name was Diptish. When I looked at my email later, it started: "Hello Dipshit" (seriously).

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Dec 9, 2016 16:36:08   #
whitewolfowner
 
TriX wrote:
Easy to do - those spellcheckers will kill you... 😩. My worst was an email to our lead SE, whose name was Diptish. When I looked at my email later, it started: "Hello Dipshit" (seriously).



Would be nice to blame the spell checker, but to be honest as I always try to be, I responded quickly without thinking, associated omni with one and jotted it down. Haste makes waste and this time it had me say exactly the opposite of what I meant to say. Sometimes my tongue gets in the way of my eye tooth and I cannot see what I am saying.

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Dec 9, 2016 17:02:32   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
aellman wrote:
A lavalier is fine, but a shotgun or directional mic on a boom is actually better, but you have to have a stationary subject, a C-stand, or a boom operator.
It gives a more true sound. It's what they use on movies. >Alan


Budget films and live TV shows use that approach.

High budget films and TV shows may use DR — dialog replacement. Talent goes into a studio booth with $2000 Neumann microphones fed through high-end tube pre-amps and compressors and equalizers, and reads the script while watching the recording. The sound mixer/recordist syncs the sound in the editing software. Presto! Larger than life voices.

The parent company of the company I used to work for also owned Glen Glenn Sound in Hollywood. Their facility did lots of dialog replacement. Many top stars had their personal favorite sound mixers, who made them sound larger than life. For that, they were paid handsomely! The nicest cars in the parking lot were owned by the sound mixers. I got to watch a little of that happen back before Glen Glenn became defunct.

There are some very expensive lavalier mics that are used by film sound crews these days. Since they get closer to the subject's mouth, they are most useful in noisy environments. (6" beats 3' in most noisy environments.)

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Dec 9, 2016 20:55:06   #
skingfong Loc: Sacramento
 
blackest wrote:
I use a zoom H1 for audio recording with a dead cat stuffed over the end it produces a pretty good result. It's popular for radio recordings. I don't know what the Pro's think to it.


I have an H1 with a deadcat windscreen. The mics are really sensitive. They can pick up a lot of ambient noise. You'll hear everything including you touching the camera, lens focus motor, etc. if it's mounted on your camera. It's great for being a portable recorder but not for anything you want to isolate. The H1 seems to have some compression which makes soft background noise even louder.

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Dec 9, 2016 23:55:43   #
djet Loc: Burbank, CA
 
This may help: [url]http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/remove-ambient-noise-audio-files-audacity/[url]

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Dec 10, 2016 01:23:51   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
skingfong wrote:
I have an H1 with a deadcat windscreen. The mics are really sensitive. They can pick up a lot of ambient noise. You'll hear everything including you touching the camera, lens focus motor, etc. if it's mounted on your camera. It's great for being a portable recorder but not for anything you want to isolate. The H1 seems to have some compression which makes soft background noise even louder.


yes its true the sensitivity is amazing i had it on headphones turned up the sensitivity and it was picking up birds tweeting conversations about 200 yards away and not a bird in sight.

The body does pick up noise really easily i found the best thing to do was suspend it on rubber bands and then it was a lot better. A solid mounting is terrible.

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Dec 10, 2016 11:34:12   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
bsprague wrote:
If I lived near Boston, I would beg to be a volunteer. a "go for", apprentice or whatever just to see how it is really done.

Do you have links to videos you can share?


The stuff I have done recently is internal corporate and proprietary.

I see you live in or near Tacoma. There must be a lot of video being shot there and especially in Seattle. Get a list of production companies online and offer your services as an intern. Here is info from the federal gov't on paid vs. unpaid internships:

You can be an unpaid intern only if:

- The internship, even though it includes actual operation of the facilities of the employer, is similar to training which would be given in an educational environment;
- The internship experience is for the benefit of the intern;
- The intern does not displace regular employees, but works under close supervision of existing staff;
- The employer that provides the training derives no immediate advantage from the activities of the intern; and on occasion its operations may actually be impeded;
- The intern is not necessarily entitled to a job at the conclusion of the internship; and
- The employer and the intern understand that the intern is not entitled to wages for the time spent in the internship.

If any of these criteria is not met, the law requires you to be paid minimum wage. Hope this helps. >Alan

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Dec 10, 2016 11:36:45   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Budget films and live TV shows use that approach.

High budget films and TV shows may use DR — dialog replacement. Talent goes into a studio booth with $2000 Neumann microphones fed through high-end tube pre-amps and compressors and equalizers, and reads the script while watching the recording. The sound mixer/recordist syncs the sound in the editing software. Presto! Larger than life voices.

The parent company of the company I used to work for also owned Glen Glenn Sound in Hollywood. Their facility did lots of dialog replacement. Many top stars had their personal favorite sound mixers, who made them sound larger than life. For that, they were paid handsomely! The nicest cars in the parking lot were owned by the sound mixers. I got to watch a little of that happen back before Glen Glenn became defunct.

There are some very expensive lavalier mics that are used by film sound crews these days. Since they get closer to the subject's mouth, they are most useful in noisy environments. (6" beats 3' in most noisy environments.)
Budget films and live TV shows use that approach. ... (show quote)


There are also some very inexpensive lavalier mics which for most of us are quite adequate. I use a cheapo for interviews, and the sound quality is excellent.

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