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Oct 8, 2016 08:09:18   #
Gpa-15 Loc: Tinton Falls, NJ
 
Re: 'A basic UHH-Tutorial on Nude-Photography'
Gang... In that I'm obsessed in trying to make the Good even Better; QUES: Has UHH ever discussed (or provided a tutorial on): 'The Basics of 'properly-capturing' a posed-nude-human' (sub-titled: ...in such a way that you do NOT need PP in order to have a resultant-image, about which a 'UHH-member' like: 'dpullam' would be able to honestly-comment: "That's a perfectly 'posed' and 'captured' subject.") --- Also... Subjects can (and should) be Female or Male; ...and Chapters(?) might include topics such as: 'Lighting ...to include distracting-reflections'. --- Thanks UHH-friends

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Oct 8, 2016 09:00:48   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Gpa-15 has given me a moment of the 15 minutes of fame allowed. Indeed, his quote sounds like something I would say.... I think the human form is perhaps because of complex portions and curvature/contours is very difficult to light and to have the proper prospective. Perhaps two++ years ago there was a fascinating nude photo and two far-right wing riled about it.... and it was removed. As Hitchcock ... what you did not see was key. That removed photo was a Hitchcock nude, lighting and implied motion superb; we lost an artist and a teacher from the UHH family. Our society is no longer bound by the Puritans and The Virgin Queen of England. I was ! in Argentina when pregnant women would wear bear mid-drift with oiled bellies proudly displayed! The world in general has changed and is still changing rapidly. Bob Dylan advised "don't stand in the door way... times are a changin'"

Example of Hitchcock nudes; no nipples, no labia, (they are art works in them selves, certainly not from a cookie press)... but here are nudes prude-fully done as Hitchcock would have done [! ! ! Wait-Watchers Magazine no less... wow ! ! !]:
http://people.com/bodies/11-women-celebrate-their-weight-loss-by-posing-nude-for-weight-watchers-magazine/

In my comments, I often comment on hands and feet... what the heck do you do with them... the ultimate puzzle in any human photography clothed or unclothed part of large free work on composition ... "Photographic Psychology: Image and Psyche" - by Richard Zakia, Professor Emeritus, Fine Art Photography Department, Rochester Institute of Technology":
http://truecenterpublishing.com/photopsy/body_language.htm

To me composition is key.... well composed and lighted can be done with the simplest of minimal equipment... capturing the moment and the pose: Composition free book cited above....
http://truecenterpublishing.com/photopsy/article_index.htm

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Oct 8, 2016 09:11:07   #
Gpa-15 Loc: Tinton Falls, NJ
 
dpullum wrote:
Gpa-15 has given me a moment of the 15 minutes of fame allowed. Indeed, his quote sounds like something I would say.... I think the human form is perhaps because of complex portions and curvature/contours is very difficult to light and to have the proper prospective. Perhaps two++ years ago there was a fascinating nude photo and two far-right wing riled about it.... and it was removed. As Hitchcock ... what you did not see was key. That removed photo was a Hitchcock nude, lighting and implied motion superb; we lost an artist and a teacher from the UHH family. Our society is no longer bound by the Puritans and The Virgin Queen of England. I was ! in Argentina when pregnant women would wear bear mid-drift with oiled bellies proudly displayed! The world in general has changed and is still changing rapidly. Bob Dylan advised "don't stand in the door way... times are a changin'"

Example of Hitchcock nudes; no nipples, no labia, (they are art works in them selves, certainly not from a cookie press)... but here are nudes prude-fully done as Hitchcock would have done [! ! ! Wait-Watchers Magazine no less... wow ! ! !]:
http://people.com/bodies/11-women-celebrate-their-weight-loss-by-posing-nude-for-weight-watchers-magazine/

In my comments, I often comment on hands and feet... what the heck do you do with them... the ultimate puzzle in any human photography clothed or unclothed part of large free work on composition ... "Photographic Psychology: Image and Psyche" - by Richard Zakia, Professor Emeritus, Fine Art Photography Department, Rochester Institute of Technology":
http://truecenterpublishing.com/photopsy/body_language.htm

To me composition is key.... well composed and lighted can be done with the simplest of minimal equipment... capturing the moment and the pose: Composition free book cited above....
http://truecenterpublishing.com/photopsy/article_index.htm
Gpa-15 has given me a moment of the 15 minutes of ... (show quote)

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Hi 'dpullum'... Forgive this quick acknowledgment (proper response later today); must attend funeral of Son's friend (Diabetes & Kidney-failure)😩

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Oct 8, 2016 09:13:01   #
Gpa-15 Loc: Tinton Falls, NJ
 
Must attend 10am Funeral --- Back after noon (E).
Gpa-15

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Oct 8, 2016 20:08:13   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
The more I learn about photography, the less I know. photography is a true art form, putting everything you learn together and trying to get the perfect pic , to me is almost impossible, I have gotten many good pix, but none that are perfect. shooting nudes is much harder then clothed women. The person I shoot may love the pic but when you post it here, you get comments about them being too fat or too skinny or having a roll or a tattoo, you get comments about them not being attractive , butt too big/too small . None of that matters and should never be commented on EVER IMHO. What matters is, did I get the lighting right, did I get the models position right, are there shadows, or too bright, or as Dpullem says, how are the hands? Thats the type of comments I want to see.

with all that said, if someone does know of good tutorials I'd love to see them... Ive read a few, and watched a few on line.

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Oct 9, 2016 01:34:28   #
usken65
 
Get a book by yucel yalim it's called alternative nudes creative lighting and posing for photographers. It will be greatly helpful to you.

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Oct 9, 2016 06:02:24   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
usken65 wrote:
Get a book by yucel yalim it's called alternative nudes creative lighting and posing for photographers. It will be greatly helpful to you.


The study of a nude photo is one of looking a pose, poise, and the complexity of lighting. Perhaps like flowers, having a cook book of a few favorite recipets is advised; like chalk marks on the floor in a play.. where to be and when. Clothed photography is much easier, much.

Yalim's books, there are many, are available in Kindle form:
https://www.amazon.com/Yucel-Yalim/e/B008JEKN1K

Many (OK, just 10) used books for less than $10 from betterworldbooks.com beyond $10 many
http://www.betterworldbooks.com/nude-photography-H0.aspx?dsNav=Ntk:primary%7cnude+photography%7c3%7c,Ny:True,Ns:p_price_zone_16%7c101%7c1%7c,N:4294965695,Nr:AND(NOT(Condition%3aDigital)%2cNOT(Format%3aeBook))&dsDimensionSearch=D:nude+photography,Dxm:All,Dxp:3&=&SearchTerm=nude+photography

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Oct 9, 2016 06:05:30   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
usken65 wrote:
Get a book by yucel yalim it's called alternative nudes creative lighting and posing for photographers. It will be greatly helpful to you.


The study of a nude photo is one of looking a pose, poise, and the complexity of lighting. Perhaps like flowers, having a cook book of a few favorite recipets is advised; like chalk marks on the floor in a play.. where to be and when. Clothed photography is much easier, much.

Yalim's books, there are many, are available in Kindle form:
https://www.amazon.com/Yucel-Yalim/e/B008JEKN1K

Many (OK, just 10) used books for less than $10 from betterworldbooks.com beyond $10 many.... search by nude photography and sort by price
http://www.betterworldbooks.com

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Oct 9, 2016 13:47:28   #
romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI
 
bdk wrote:
The more I learn about photography, the less I know. photography is a true art form, putting everything you learn together and trying to get the perfect pic , to me is almost impossible, I have gotten many good pix, but none that are perfect. shooting nudes is much harder then clothed women. The person I shoot may love the pic but when you post it here, you get comments about them being too fat or too skinny or having a roll or a tattoo, you get comments about them not being attractive , butt too big/too small . None of that matters and should never be commented on EVER IMHO. What matters is, did I get the lighting right, did I get the models position right, are there shadows, or too bright, or as Dpullem says, how are the hands? Thats the type of comments I want to see.

with all that said, if someone does know of good tutorials I'd love to see them... Ive read a few, and watched a few on line.
The more I learn about photography, the less I kno... (show quote)


It really doesn't take tutorials to train yourself to look at all details of an image before pressing the shutter- is there light flair; is there distortion in part of the body due to lens choice; could a change of pose improve the composition; are their distractions in the background. If taken in a "group shoot" the crowd of photographers makes things more difficult, but in one on one situations sloppy shooting should not be tolerated. The object is not how many images you take, but how many good ones you take. If you only make one exposure and the image is stunning it is more impressive
than showing 30 poorly composed shots.

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Oct 10, 2016 04:39:26   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
bdk wrote:
... you get comments about them being too fat or too skinny or having a roll or a tattoo, you get comments about them not being attractive , butt too big/too small . None of that matters and should never be commented on EVER IMHO. What matters is, did I get the lighting right, did I get the models position right, are there shadows, or too bright, or as Dpullem says, how are the hands? Thats the type of comments I want to see...


I don't think you can disregard the choice of the main subject as being suitable or not for this genre of photography. If that were the case then why not shoot manikins? If you are shooting landscapes would you not choose something with appeal and then present its best features? And while a cloudless sunset over a calm ocean with no foreground object might turn into an interesting image you might as well just have created a very simple graphic using drawing software. Even in "still life" photography I believe the choice of subject is fair game for criticism.

I think the choice of model has a lot to do with the final outcome. Let's face it, not every woman has the physical beauty to pose in the nude. You have to consider face/body contours, complexion, proportion, etc. It is hard to define "beauty" in an absolute sense, but it is not difficult to separate the lower scores from the higher ones. Since the perfect "ten" might be elusive to most photographers the challenge is to present the woman who might score six or seven as an eight or nine; i.e., how do you suppress the less attractive features of your model while you accentuate the best?

The bottom line for me, if I were a professional "people" photographer, would not be whether I would photograph a paying client in the nude even if she were not attractive, but whether I would post that result on a public forum like this without asking for specific commentary. For example, I might ask how I could have improved the pose or the shooting angle to make a "large" woman look slimmer; I might ask for suggestions on how to improve skin complexion on a woman with acne or scars; how do I handle that big hooked nose?

Pose, accessories, lighting, etc are all important, and suggestions on how to use these on challenging subjects would be great. But in the absence of an acknowledged challenging situation with a particular subject, then simply presenting a nude photo opens the door for critique of everything in the photo, including choice of the main subject.

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Oct 10, 2016 08:47:58   #
Gpa-15 Loc: Tinton Falls, NJ
 
To UHH-Friends... It's actually Monday AM ...and I spent the weekend, getting over 'something-i-ate' at the funeral 'repast'. -- I apologize for my tardiness in properly responding to 'dpullum', and his exceptionally-illusidating post. --- I'll copy THIS in today's quick response as well.
--- --- From a fast peek at ALL the Comments already made, there's really NOT much more, that could be added; Thank you ALL.!.!.!

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Oct 10, 2016 08:52:52   #
Gpa-15 Loc: Tinton Falls, NJ
 
Repeat from yesterday's 'Quick reply':
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To UHH-Friends... It's actually Monday AM ...and I spent the weekend, getting over 'something-i-ate' at the funeral 'repast'. -- I apologize for my tardiness in properly responding to 'dpullum', and his exceptionally-illusidating post. --- I'll copy THIS in today's quick response as well.
--- --- From a fast peek at ALL the Comments already made, there's really NOT much more, that could be added; Thank you ALL.!.!.!

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Oct 10, 2016 14:44:02   #
romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI
 
JohnFrim wrote:
I don't think you can disregard the choice of the main subject as being suitable or not for this genre of photography. If that were the case then why not shoot manikins? If you are shooting landscapes would you not choose something with appeal and then present its best features? And while a cloudless sunset over a calm ocean with no foreground object might turn into an interesting image you might as well just have created a very simple graphic using drawing software. Even in "still life" photography I believe the choice of subject is fair game for criticism.
I think the choice of model has a lot to do with the final outcome. Let's face it, not every woman has the physical beauty to pose in the nude. You have to consider face/body contours, complexion, proportion, etc. It is hard to define "beauty" in an absolute sense, but it is not difficult to separate the lower scores from the higher ones. Since the perfect "ten" might be elusive to most photographers the challenge is to present the woman who might score six or seven as an eight or nine; i.e., how do you suppress the less attractive features of your model while you accentuate the best?
The bottom line for me, if I were a professional "people" photographer, would not be whether I would photograph a paying client in the nude even if she were not attractive, but whether I would post that result on a public forum like this without asking for specific commentary. For example, I might ask how I could have improved the pose or the shooting angle to make a "large" woman look slimmer; I might ask for suggestions on how to improve skin complexion on a woman with acne or scars; how do I handle that big hooked nose?
Pose, accessories, lighting, etc are all important, and suggestions on how to use these on challenging subjects would be great. But in the absence of an acknowledged challenging situation with a particular subject, then simply presenting a nude photo opens the door for critique of everything in the photo, including choice of the main subject.
I don't think you can disregard the choice of the ... (show quote)


The basics of portraiture and lighting are the same for nude or clothed. It is the responsibility of the photographer to advise or pose the model to bring out the best image given her body type, complexion and obvious features. Besides posing, a knowledge of optics and lighting come into play too. Control of perspective is the photographers responsibility.

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Oct 11, 2016 06:08:43   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
I can see nudes is not for beginners. there is so much to be learned to move from shooting naked women to doing nudes. my only hope is that none of these models go into a profession where these photos will come back to haunt them.

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Oct 11, 2016 08:31:17   #
Gpa-15 Loc: Tinton Falls, NJ
 
bull drink water wrote:
I can see nudes is not for beginners. there is so much to be learned to move from shooting naked women to doing nudes. my only hope is that none of these models go into a profession where these photos will come back to haunt them.

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Hi 'bull drink water'... I agree fully on both points made. --- Re: your second point; I hope at some point, the underage-kids that have been 'sexting' with their 'BFFs' don't fall victim to the 'Child-Porn' laws.

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