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Sep 28, 2016 16:15:10   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Gene51 wrote:
Short answer is yes for mainstream applications. If you are running really old software or hardware, you'd have to check to make sure it is supported on Windows 10. It is no different for Apple, BTW - there are more than just a few people having difficulties with the latest iteration of MacOS - Sierra - and are awaiting updates either from Apple or the software publishers. For a short while Lightroom did not play nicely with Sierra, but I think that has mostly been resolved.

I just built a powerhouse system for a friend - based on an Intel i7 6700K cpu, workstation graphics card to display 30 bit color, a 1 TB Solid State Drive to boot from, and 12 TB of internal spinning storage. The motherboard has 32 gb ram (critical for PHotoshop), with room for 32 more. The total cost was $1850.

She looked at Apple, and the closest thing was around $4000 after factoring in the external drives she would have to purchase to get to 12 TB.

Nothing wrong with Apple, but if you are looking to get the most bang for the buck, a PC will give you that.

You can pretty much dismiss the urban myths regarding reliability - they both break; regarding ease of use- they are equally easy to use once you learn the OS, applications are 99% the same; regarding viruses - As macs become more popular, they are increasingly being targeted by malware; regarding components - open up a mac and you will find middle of the road components - you always have the option with a PC to spend a little more and get better drives, memory, cpu cooling, bigger power supply, regarding longevity - Ok, so an 8 yr old Mac still works - fine - would you really want to try and run current applications on an 8 yr old computer? etc etc etc; I could go on but won't - convergence in the industry has drawn the mac closer to the PC, to the point that even the PC emulation software runs very well on a Mac, now that they are using Intel processors.

Many of the opinions you will hear sound like this - Oh, I switched from PC years ago and never looked back. Well, things have changed, and the majority of the complaints against PCs have been addressed, and either will provide a quality computing experience. I am not biased in favor of either platform - but I am a little old-fashioned. As an IT consultant since 1983, my advice to my clients was to first determine the applications that they wanted to run on a computer, then select the best computer (which often was a balance of cost vs benefit) to run them. To select a computer platform first is a bit like the cart pushing the horse.

I strongly recommend weighing the alternatives - and if you decide Windows, then have a system custom built. MicroCenter will do that for $120 for you, but so will your local "computer guy" who does repair and consulting. Don't get the cheapest off-the-shelf system out there. You will be spending somewhere between the cost of a cheap system from Best Buy or Costco, and the cost of an Apple iMac or Mac Pro.
Short answer is yes for mainstream applications. I... (show quote)


A breath of fresh air - pick the application first and then pick the HW to run it on - what a novel idea! 😀

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Sep 28, 2016 20:08:24   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
TriX wrote:
A breath of fresh air - pick the application first and then pick the HW to run it on - what a novel idea! 😀


Anyone have experience with Adobe CC on CP/M-80?

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Sep 28, 2016 22:12:31   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Re: Adobe CC on CP/M80 - I have an old 8088 machine that I will try it on. I think it has 640 kb ram, and a pair of 5.25" 260kb floppy drives, no hard drive. I'll let you know how that goes . . .

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Sep 28, 2016 22:27:20   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Gene51 wrote:
Re: Adobe CC on CP/M80 - I have an old 8088 machine that I will try it on. I think it has 640 kb ram, and a pair of 5.25" 260kb floppy drives, no hard drive. I'll let you know how that goes . . .


Excellent, any idea how many months that may take?

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Sep 28, 2016 22:33:06   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Peterff wrote:
Excellent, any idea how many months that may take?


Let's go one step further - why even bother with an OS? Since Gene has an 8088 based machine, I believe I still remember how to write code in machine language for that processor - just have to find my command reference card 😀

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Sep 28, 2016 22:40:10   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
In my copy of W10, Adobe Camera Raw has stopped recognizing the profile of my Canon G9 X.

Under W8.1, ACR recognized this profile automatically.

Under W10, I cannot get the Google Nix Collection to load as a filter in Photoshop on my laptop computer. W8.1 loaded it with no problem. My desktop computer with W10 loads it just as it should.

In some ways, I find W10 easier to use than W8.1. But W10 presets three Pictures folders, instead of one. I waste time figuring out which is which.

I limp along slightly.
ncshutterbug wrote:
I am considering a new computer but have avoided Windows 10 up to now. Does anyone know if the problems have been resolved for photographers?

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Sep 28, 2016 22:53:58   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Gene51 wrote:
Re: Adobe CC on CP/M80 - I have an old 8088 machine that I will try it on. I think it has 640 kb ram, and a pair of 5.25" 260kb floppy drives, no hard drive. I'll let you know how that goes . . .


I had a machine like that. When I was at Tektronix and the very first PCs became available, Teltronix bought all Field engineers IBM "lugables" (portables) and started a year-long program to make us all "PC literate" using an ap called Frameworks (looked like primative windows). It had a roughly 6" amber monochrome display and dual 5-1/4" 360K floppies and must have weighed 25 lbs. it came equipped with a manual with the complete IBM PC specification (which we were expected to memorize). We were selling microprocessor development systems at the time, so we all had to learn to code in 6800/6805, 8080/8088 and Z80 machine language so we could demo the systems. But I digress...

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Sep 28, 2016 22:54:07   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
TriX wrote:
Let's go one step further - why even bother with an OS? Since Gene has an 8088 based machine, I believe I still remember how to write code in machine language for that processor - just have to find my command reference card 😀


OK you got me. Last time I did ML was a 6502 on a Commodore PET! Not sure where I put the disassembler though.

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Sep 28, 2016 22:56:48   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
TriX wrote:
I had a machine like that. When I was at Tektronix and the very first PCs became available, Teltronix bought all Field engineers IBM "lugables" (portables) and started a year-long program to make us all "PC literate" using an ap called Frameworks (looked like primative windows). It had a roughly 6" amber monochrome display and dual 5-1/4" 360K floppies and must have weighed 25 lbs. it came equipped with a manual with the complete IBM PC specification (which we were expected to memorize). We were selling microprocessor development systems at the time, so we all had to learn to code in 6800/6805, 8080/8088 and Z80 machine language so we could demo the systems. But I digress...
I had a machine like that. When I was at Tektronix... (show quote)


So do you still have a 4014 in your basement? As they say "Old graphics terminals never die, the just slowly fade away in top left hand corner!" DVSTs forever!

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Sep 28, 2016 22:59:13   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
ncshutterbug wrote:
I am considering a new computer but have avoided Windows 10 up to now. Does anyone know if the problems have been resolved for photographers?


I use Windows 10 and have zero problems with Lightroom and Elements 14 as well as Canon's DPP program.

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Sep 28, 2016 23:00:35   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
mwsilvers wrote:
I use Windows 10 and have zero problems with Lightroom and Elements 14 as well as Canon's DPP program.


Agreed.

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Sep 29, 2016 05:56:26   #
BebuLamar
 
Gene51 wrote:
Re: Adobe CC on CP/M80 - I have an old 8088 machine that I will try it on. I think it has 640 kb ram, and a pair of 5.25" 260kb floppy drives, no hard drive. I'll let you know how that goes . . .


That's 360Kb Gene.

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Sep 29, 2016 07:01:18   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
BebuLamar wrote:
That's 360Kb Gene.
...or even KB

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Sep 29, 2016 07:32:30   #
BebuLamar
 
you are right . It is 360 kilo bytes and noi kilo bits

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Sep 29, 2016 07:35:43   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
ncshutterbug wrote:
I am considering a new computer but have avoided Windows 10 up to now. Does anyone know if the problems have been resolved for photographers?


I have three Dells that I updated to Win10, and there have been no problems. Well, at least nothing I can blame on Win10. It's the wave of the future. "Be there or be square."

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