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Aug 24, 2016 07:54:53   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Geesus. That must be idiot logic.


F-off Jim Bob.

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Aug 24, 2016 07:57:40   #
Boentgru Loc: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
 
I don't believe the statement, "Crop sensor cameras are OK, but limit the size of print that can be made from the original image. The main limit is image quality with large prints. Additionally, crop sensors tend to introduce more noise in an image." is accurate.

The main thing about how large a print can be in digital photography is the sensor pixel count. A 10 megapixel sensor will be able to produce the same size and quality of print regardless of the sensor FF, DX or other. There are other factors involved (signal-to-noise ratio, etc). but pixel count is the most significant.

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Aug 24, 2016 08:14:06   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
jradose wrote:
I am wondering, on what basis can you make this assumption? I have asked many questions about items before I bought the items...based on your thinking, said items were not for me. One glowing example in the fallacy of your thinking, in 2006, I bought a used 2000 Ford Ranger XLT 4 x 4 after asking many questions about that truck. I still have that truck, simply love that truck. So glad that this truck was not for me.


Yes I generalized (quite a bit), but there are things people need/should to learn before they need to worry about Crop vs FF:
A.) truly understand the exposure triangle and know how to apply it in real life situations
B.) learn about composition
C.) worry less about what the next person is using
D.) take full advantage of the camera you currently own by learning it's capabilities not just a small fraction.
E.) FF isn't the best thing for everyone especially if you haven't figured out letters A-D.

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Aug 24, 2016 08:14:12   #
Jim Bob
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
F-off Jim Bob.


Yep. I was right. Thanks for the confirmation.

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Aug 24, 2016 08:14:48   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Yep. I was right. Thanks for the confirmation.


My default answer to anything you say to me...F-off JB.

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Aug 24, 2016 08:16:33   #
Jim Bob
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
My default answer to anything you say to me...F-off JB.


As I said, you are the master of idiot logic. You might as well embrace it.

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Aug 24, 2016 08:18:21   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Jim Bob wrote:
As I said, you are the master of idiot logic. You might as well embrace it.


once again...F-U-J-B

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Aug 24, 2016 08:21:44   #
Jim Bob
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
once again...F-U-J-B


Embrace the idiocy. The Guru has spoken. Long live the Guru.

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Aug 24, 2016 08:31:24   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Embrace the idiocy. The Guru has spoken. Long live the Guru.


FUJB.

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Aug 24, 2016 08:34:24   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Boentgru wrote:
I don't believe the statement, "Crop sensor cameras are OK, but limit the size of print that can be made from the original image. The main limit is image quality with large prints. Additionally, crop sensors tend to introduce more noise in an image." is accurate.

The main thing about how large a print can be in digital photography is the sensor pixel count. A 10 megapixel sensor will be able to produce the same size and quality of print regardless of the sensor FF, DX or other. There are other factors involved (signal-to-noise ratio, etc). but pixel count is the most significant.
I don't believe the statement, "Crop sensor c... (show quote)


PPI needed for a print reduces with print size. Bigger prints imply greater viewing distances. The human eye cannot discern fine detail at distance. Try to read a newspaper's small print from across the room.

A 6 mp camera can produce an image (2000x3000) that will print up nicely at 24x36@85 ppi (72 ppi required for a 48" viewing distance) or 40-60@50 ppi (32 ppi required for a 72" viewing distance). As you can see, the camera provides more than enough resolution for big prints. I've sold a number of prints in those sizes that were taken with my old D70S. In general, more mp generally means more cropping options, not bigger prints. You can see mural-sized prints taken with 35mm, full frame, APS-C and even M4/3 cameras at galleries and art museums. You only "need" more resolution if you anticipate close up inspection of a print.

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Aug 24, 2016 08:41:57   #
sinead
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
F-off Jim Bob.
hmmmmmmm pretty tacky for a message board.
With that said, thank you everyone for your input regarding the topic. I understand now.

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Aug 24, 2016 08:48:25   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
sinead wrote:
hmmmmmmm pretty tacky for a message board.


Unfortunately so is Jim Bob.

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Aug 24, 2016 09:15:52   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Geesus. That must be idiot logic.


Do those two words belong together?

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Aug 24, 2016 09:23:30   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Do those two words belong together?


Thanks Jerry...I needed a chuckle this morning :-)

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Aug 24, 2016 09:52:56   #
sinead
 
lol you guys crack me up! Thanks for the smiles!

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