Fact checking
Jul 28, 2016 13:55:25 #
DaveO wrote:
I don't know how you arrived at the "bottom l... (show quote)
Let me rephrase and say that I don't know how they arrived at the bottom line, having done their evaluation. Presenting and flavoring it with more reality of what our capabilities are with respect to projected needed use would have been better, I think.
Jul 28, 2016 14:09:42 #
davefales wrote:
...huh? military spending went down after the Iraq was "ended" (or at least cooled down)... also, I don't know if you understand, but the heritage foundation is one of the most conservative institutions in our country and an outspoken critic of Obama from the getgo.... and closely aligned with the notorious daily signal.I like this chart better. It pretty clearly shows the decline in "military" spending since 2009.
Factors not captured include "worn out/used up/not replaced" equipment plus all the human experience that has been lost due to force reduction.
Factors not captured include "worn out/used up/not replaced" equipment plus all the human experience that has been lost due to force reduction.
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http://dailysignal.com/2016/07/27/if-the-obama-administration-adopts-a-no-first-use-nuclear-strategy-it-could-cripple-us-security/ here's an article about us keeping a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the table
http://dailysignal.com/2009/01/22/the-need-for-change-in-philadelphia-%E2%80%93-not-threatening-voters/ this comes out 3 months after the election, right at inauguaration. here's the wiki on it:
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The New Black Panther Party voter intimidation cas... (show quote)
...but I have pointed out your sources, before so?
Jul 28, 2016 15:28:49 #
DaveO wrote:
This doom and gloom rhetoric regarding our military is not valid.
This doom and gloom rhetoric regarding our military is not valid.
28 minutes from my posting to your reply. Didn't read it, did you?
Jul 28, 2016 15:46:29 #
davefales wrote:
not the whole thing... you summarized their position very very well in the graph, though 28 minutes from my posting to your reply. Didn't read it, did you?
here's a pro-military site's take on an exciting scenario... the US against the world! much more interesting than that dry right-wing article you posted.
http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/how-long-the-us-military-would-last-against-the-rest-of-the-world
in case you're not reading it, short answer: We'd kick ass, without our nukes.
Jul 28, 2016 15:47:38 #
davefales wrote:
28 minutes from my posting to your reply. Didn't read it, did you?
Did you actually read my reply? I agree with their points,but not their overall assessment.
It took me that long to skim the article. Did I read every word? No. Do I understand a little about readiness? Hopefully. Common sense? Hopefully.
I'm not about to get into a contest arguing the readiness of our military,but I'm comfortable that it isn't as deficient as the article portrayed,particularly when looking at the dream teams' increased numbers of battalions,ships,equipment,etc. and the profound abilities of what we currently have when compared to our potential adversaries.
Again,we are not prepared to spend the money for a doomsday preparation and not greatly enhance what we currently possess. In the long run,a firm negotiating table might be a better effort.
While the Heritage Foundation is a super source,they are not without bias.
Jul 28, 2016 15:49:19 #
DaveO wrote:
understated.....While the Heritage Foundation is a super source,they are not without bias.
read my article it's cool!
Jul 28, 2016 15:55:26 #
green wrote:
understated...
read my article it's cool!
read my article it's cool!
Yes,some pretty good stuff! Apparently some think that were way behind the times. Political fodder to some extent.
Jul 28, 2016 16:02:18 #
DaveO wrote:
shit, if trump get's elected, we could sell off the rest of our military equipment and just threaten them with nuclear destruction... after we've glassed over a few desert countries, and maybe Russia, too... the world will bow to our supremacy.Yes,some pretty good stuff! Apparently some think that were way behind the times. Political fodder to some extent.
Jul 28, 2016 16:15:51 #
green wrote:
shit, if trump get's elected, we could sell off the rest of our military equipment and just threaten them with nuclear destruction... after we've glassed over a few desert countries, and maybe Russia, too... the would will bow to our supremacy.
I personally think that we should be more assertive and less tolerant in a lot of respects. That doesn't mean we have to go to war,but we could bitch slap someone and be capable of taking care of any who interfere,be it economic or severe. When some figure that business as usual is not an option,maybe some of the BS will stop.
Jul 28, 2016 16:32:07 #
DaveO wrote:
yeah, nobody talks back when you bitch-slap them with nuclear arms... I mean, the Japanese believed that Hirohito was God, but 2 bombs and they're all anti-military.I personally think that we should be more assertive and less tolerant in a lot of respects. That doesn't mean we have to go to war,but we could bitch slap someone and be capable of taking care of any who interfere,be it economic or severe. When some figure that business as usual is not an option,maybe some of the BS will stop.
Jul 28, 2016 16:38:33 #
green wrote:
yeah, nobody talks back when you bitch-slap them with nuclear arms... I mean, the Japanese believed that Hirohito was God, but 2 bombs and they're all anti-military.
LOL! By the way, I almost had dinner with Hirohito in 1972. I was the alternate attendee in my battalion for a so called gold plate dinner with the Emperor when I was with the 3rd Force Service Regiment in Okinawa.
"Almost" only counts in horseshoes,hand grenades and atom bombs.
Jul 28, 2016 16:44:04 #
DaveO wrote:
Yes, I drank a screwdriver that Beyonce made for J-Z, but he didn't finish it... I almost got drunk with 'Z LOL! By the way, I almost had dinner with Hirohito in 1972. I was the alternate attendee in my battalion for a so called gold plate dinner with the Emperor when I was with the 3rd Force Service Regiment in Okinawa.
"Almost" only counts in horseshoes,hand grenades and atom bombs.
"Almost" only counts in horseshoes,hand grenades and atom bombs.
Jul 28, 2016 16:46:56 #
green wrote:
Yes, I drank a screwdriver that Beyonce made for J-Z, but he didn't finish it... I almost got drunk with 'Z
Guess you had to be there...
Jul 28, 2016 16:49:41 #
DaveO wrote:
I almost was, my friend was housecleaning on their Kauai vacation...Guess you had to be there...
http://media.vogue.com/r/h_480,w_480//wp-content/uploads/2016/06/23/05-beyonce-jay-z-family-hawaii.jpg
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