M92 - again
Jul 1, 2016 09:26:28 #
Jul 1, 2016 10:33:54 #
I just have to do this....
300,000 estimated stars, GET THIS GAZILLION HATERS - 14 billion years old and 110 LY across.... and only 27,000 LY away. So the light that finally did manage to get through the clouds has been heading towards my sensor for 5.88 trillion years - times - 27, for a grand total of 5.9 quadrillion years.......SOOOOO it is one big, hot, old momma who has been moving towards Spartanburg SC for a very long time indeed - and I am now glad I was there to catch it!!
I might as well add, If I could travel the speed of light - I could circle the equator 7.5 times in one second. Should I ever have that capacity - it could increase my chances of finding a new "dark site" to image from. Just saying
300,000 estimated stars, GET THIS GAZILLION HATERS - 14 billion years old and 110 LY across.... and only 27,000 LY away. So the light that finally did manage to get through the clouds has been heading towards my sensor for 5.88 trillion years - times - 27, for a grand total of 5.9 quadrillion years.......SOOOOO it is one big, hot, old momma who has been moving towards Spartanburg SC for a very long time indeed - and I am now glad I was there to catch it!!
I might as well add, If I could travel the speed of light - I could circle the equator 7.5 times in one second. Should I ever have that capacity - it could increase my chances of finding a new "dark site" to image from. Just saying
Jul 1, 2016 11:54:58 #
nikonshooter wrote:
I just have to do this.... br br 300,000 estimate... (show quote)
Well, you mentioned thousands, hundred thousands, billions, trillions, and quadrillions....
But no gazillions, or brazillions.
Jul 1, 2016 13:51:06 #
Jul 1, 2016 17:31:59 #
nikonshooter wrote:
Bingo! 
If you could travel at the speed of light you might be happy, you possibly run face into your butt form behind. Now that would be a shitty situation. LOL
Jul 2, 2016 18:55:24 #
You guys are cracking me up! Nikonshooter, it's a wonderful shot - amazing! 
Nikonshooter, it's a wonderful shot - amazing! Jul 2, 2016 20:41:08 #
nikonshooter wrote:
I did this some two weeks ago....I imaged M92 over a two night period. The first night was perfecto but the second night was a bust - clouds came and went. As a result I ended up getting rid of all but 40 subs and some of those were iffy so I didn't use them. Last night I processed these in DSS and used only Photoshop - luminosity masking to do everything....from stretching to sharpening. Here she blows.
I'm sure that the D800e 36M pixel sensor has something to do with the ability to resolve stars deeply into the cluster. But looking at the image, M92 is small compared to the full frame image. Just wondering if you have a teleconverter, either 1.4x or 2.0x? I have found that teleconverters do work well with stars, but by magnifying the image a bit, even more pixels would be dedicated to M92.
Jul 2, 2016 20:53:41 #
JimH123 wrote:
I'm sure that the D800e 36M pixel sensor has something to do with the ability to resolve stars deeply into the cluster. But looking at the image, M92 is small compared to the full frame image. Just wondering if you have a teleconverter, either 1.4x or 2.0x? I have found that teleconverters do work well with stars, but by magnifying the image a bit, even more pixels would be dedicated to M92.
No - no tele. But I am shooting in DX mode. That gives the pseudo affect of zoom because of the 1.5 crop factor. The 800mm Newt behaves optically like a 1200mm. The advantage of doing this is really for me, file size. Instead of a 40 mb RAW file, it is 20mb. Now if I really need WIDE FIELD, I change to FX mode. One other thing - the Newtonian F/3.9 is a brilliant reflector, this is a beast. Next to Polemaster, this is the best purchase I have made in a long long long time. No regrets!!!
Jul 2, 2016 21:52:34 #
nikonshooter wrote:
I just have to do this.... br br 300,000 estimate... (show quote)
A little correction to your math. M92 is 27,000 light years away. The light has been traveling for 27,000 years. This is 5.9 trillion miles times 27,000. That would be 159 quadrillion miles. (Not years). Just a little bit farther than the odometer on the average car I trade in! Although probably not as many miles as the pickup that this old farmer in Pennsylvania that I did some summer work for used to drive. I do recall seeing the road under my feet where the bottom of the floor board had rusted away.
Jul 2, 2016 21:53:48 #
JimH123 wrote:
A little correction to your math. M92 is 27,000 l... (show quote)
Higher math lllll not my forte! :) Since the Universe is just over 14.5 billion years old that light would be famous indeed!
Jul 2, 2016 23:12:26 #
nikonshooter wrote:
Higher math lllll not my forte! :) Since the Universe is just over 14.5 billion years old that light would be famous indeed!
Now for the hard part! How many zeros is that?
Jul 3, 2016 01:06:22 #
whitewolfowner wrote:
Now for the hard part! How many zeros is that?
Pretty much incomprehensible to us.
In America 1,000,000,000 (1000 million)
But in Britain: 1,000,000,000,000 (1 million million)
So there alone is a conundrum.
But it suffices to say, the objects we observe may well no longer exist.
It amuses me that humans can sit here on the Earth an ponder these things, with no way to prove or disprove the preponderances.
I'd sooner count the grains of sand on the Worlds beaches. But for now, I enjoy looking up, and taking pictures of that I can and cannot see.
It's Mavelous Dahling!
Oh, sorry, I forgot my source:
http://mathforum.org/sanders/geometry/GP10BillionEtc.html
Jul 3, 2016 05:07:23 #
SonnyE wrote:
Pretty much incomprehensible to us. br br In Amer... (show quote)
You are right; that cluster of stars could have disappeared into a huge cloud of dust millions of years ago; one thing i a sure bet and that is that it doesn't look like that today since we seeing so far in to the past.
Jul 3, 2016 06:38:10 #
whitewolfowner wrote:
You are right; that cluster of stars could have disappeared into a huge cloud of dust millions of years ago; one thing i a sure bet and that is that it doesn't look like that today since we seeing so far in to the past.
The entire "up" thing is mindboggling. With billions of galaxies in the universe - all comprised of the same periodic elements - suns, stars, and planets - I cannot image there not being an abundance of life elsewhere.
Jul 3, 2016 07:39:51 #
It's all out there for us to explore. It's mind boggling and for all we know, all those galaxies out there could be nothing more than a photograph of what was in the past. I do believe that we will find a warp drive and explore the galaxy some day like Star Trek has portrayed. It is so vast and wonderful out there, all for mankind to check out long after we are gone. Man has to learn to live with ourselves and stop our childish and evil ways before we will ever be ale to take that step. And when you look out there and see all the wonders and their vastness, something we are incapable of comprehending, even just in our own solar system, not mention the galaxy and the universe, how can we in all honesty not realize that there is God out there controlling all this? Is it all for us, or is it to be shared with neighbors; that's all for us to know in time.
A few facts I do know that we have learned from just bending our heads at night to look up or from just laying and staring at the stars before falling asleep;
1.) Looking up is what started man's quest for figuring things out, discovering math and the sciences.
2.) Gave the realization of our limited ability to understand the world we live in.
3.) Everything comes from gas! (assuming the theory of the formation of stars and solar systems is correct) In reality, we just one big fart; nice huh.
A few facts I do know that we have learned from just bending our heads at night to look up or from just laying and staring at the stars before falling asleep;
1.) Looking up is what started man's quest for figuring things out, discovering math and the sciences.
2.) Gave the realization of our limited ability to understand the world we live in.
3.) Everything comes from gas! (assuming the theory of the formation of stars and solar systems is correct) In reality, we just one big fart; nice huh.
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