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May 18, 2016 09:24:14   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
kymarto wrote:
As a professional photog who makes a good salary with a camera, I'd like to point out that cameras used by pros take no better pictures than those which pros normally do not use. Such a silly egoistic fantasy that some people have--that using a "professional" camera somehow puts them in another league, somehow above other photographers, somehow makes them too professionals.

I can tell you from doing this for a quarter century that pros do not care about the name on a camera or how professional the shutter sounds or how professional the buttons feel; they care about getting the shot and only that. Amateurs using pro gear live in the fantasy world that their gear somehow makes them something they are not.

One thing that I've never seen a pro do is sneer at another photographer's gear. They are happy to share their experiences with a camera and lens, both its good and bad points, but I've never seen a guy with an f2.8 lens put down a guy with an f4 lens. That's the province of amateurs who are insecure and mediocre and know it, and constantly have to compensate by showing "whose is biggest". It doesn't matter how many fps your camera can shoot if you are not pointed in the right direction at the right time and if you aren't in the right place to point the camera in the right direction at the right time.

I'll tell you one reason why Canon and Nikon are used by pros: they both have professional agencies like NPS for Nikon, where pros gets free servicing of their cameras on the spot at big events, can borrow lenses free, and get other perks that amateurs can only dream about. They spend a lot of money building up a professional client base because they know that burnishes their image and attracts scores of amateur wannabes who will buy their gear because pros use it.

The new Pentax FF is making big waves. The pixel shift feature promises to blow all other cameras out of the water in terms of DR and noise in situations where it can be used. A whole bunch of video pros I know are now getting rid of their Canons and Nikons in favor of Sony A7 series bodies. The only thing that matters is that your gear fulfills your needs and helps you realize your vision. The rest is the sad machinations of frustrated people who have to feel superior to others.

The beautiful thing about photography is that it is not resource-limited. As many people as want can take pictures of Yosemite without diminishing Yosemite in any way. Photography should be an art, not a contest, because there need be nothing to fight for. Taking a picture takes nothing away from anyone else; it simply adds to the beauty in the world. That is the magic of photography, and it's a shame to see that degraded by those to whom everything has to be a competition.
As a professional photog who makes a good salary w... (show quote)

I have to agree with Pictures of Dogs... THIS^^^ is an EXCELLENT post in every respect.

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May 18, 2016 13:25:14   #
a3dtot Loc: Houston, TX
 
This has been a great post and it's one of the reason I follow UHH. The differences of opinion are helpful for the enthusiast. I have some good gear now because I used my Canon rebel until it began to not give me what I wanted or needed. I had pushed it as far as I could and was lucky to get a used 5DMKII at a good price. I started many years ago with a Minolta and loved that camera for years but I also had a cheep 35mm Olympus non slr that took great photos. With my new gear I find that I take many more good shots than with previous gear and it's a combination of better gear and more experience. But the best shot I ever took was with a cheap polaroid some 40 years ago. It was a perfect shot, it's faded now but for me it shows it's not just the gear. Things are changing in the world of photography with phones and mirror less and I will admit to a "real photographer" bias. It's a bias based on what I like to do which is to take photos. I don't like using PP to fix an image, although I will. I find I'm reverting back to taking a good photo and to do nothing but convert from raw to jpeg. I enjoy seeing the images I took on the monitor and I don't need any PP. The focus is right, the color is right, the lighting is right and I proudly hit the convert and save button. I have also reverted back to the days of black and white which I now love more than I did when I shot B&W because it was cheaper to process. Photography is an incredible hobby and although I would like it to be professional for me so I could earn some money for more and better lenses I absolutely love it. I have taken some photos of my grandchildren that not only look professional but artistic and I proudly print them large and display them on my wall. I love my Canon, the color and detail is incredible and the versatility allows me to do so much. I'm not going to give a Nikon owner too much grief except in fun and while I think people who take photos with their phone are nuts, because I want the best I can get of each frozen moment a camera allows. I will admit that I have more photos of all my grandchildren because of the phones my children have, the images suck but it's better than missing the shot. I saw a couple of posts by professionals that somewhat dismissed the enthusiastic amateur's desire to get the new gear and although I'm not one of those it seemed as though it was work for the professional. I hope that if I ever start getting paid for my hobby it never becomes work or business for me. I love walking around with my very heavy gear following my grandchildren or a bird and getting that shot. I love it and thanks again for this great post and those that contributed to it.

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May 18, 2016 14:19:37   #
BBurns Loc: South Bay, California
 
Peterff wrote:
......Sony has been a great electronics company, but when digital cameras came out it seemed to me that their strength and design criteria were centered in video, not still photography......
When I worked for Sony in the late '60's, they were playing around with their first electronic camera. It was not digital but analog. Instead of film, the information was recorded onto a 50mm mylar disc.
I saw 3 versions of it before I left and it was not very good yet. Then they came up with their own version of a floppy but eventually went to the CD as a standard.
They did put a number of models on the market under the name "Mavica". As I recall, Mavica stood for Magnetic Video Camera. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Mavica

I was just thinking, that was almost 50 years ago, wow!

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May 18, 2016 14:38:37   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
So true and if I might add the real difference between most of the top brands is for speed in sports, which Canon seems to excel at in a few of the models, and possibly also with moving or flying wildlife, I as a mostly landscape person though I do take shots of family's and people doing what they do, such as beach, and interaction with others.and for me Nikon and Pentax work just fine and I already had a great deal of glass from film days built up.
kymarto wrote:
Better gear=more potential. The question of whether that potential is realized is up to whoever uses the gear. Truth be told, "pro" gear does give an edge in certain situations where that edge is important for specific assignments, but there is also something to be said for challenging oneself at the edge of the limitation of one's equipment. Actually that's where art and satisfaction come in. I know plenty of pros with the most most expensive gear who are bored silly with their jobs. Fight for position, scrum with the pack, wide, medium, close, let's go get drunk.

Arguably you should only get new gear when you have understood how it can help you better realize your vision and art. Otherwise what's the point? In China I see housewives with D810s who hardly know how to take pictures. It's just about face and showing off, nothing to do with photography at all, it's only about social status. That's fine if that's what you are after, but in the end it is just hollow.
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May 18, 2016 15:05:57   #
n3eg Loc: West coast USA
 
Any manufacturer who doesn't at least plan for updating to mirrorless is doomed.

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May 18, 2016 15:13:35   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
why is that? they make a product that is used by many, and possibly they have no interest to build mirrorless cameras, there are many mirrorless cameras on the market already and I have heard they are nice cameras. Seems that niche may be already filled
n3eg wrote:
Any manufacturer who doesn't at least plan for updating to mirrorless is doomed.

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May 18, 2016 15:22:04   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
Nikon is rumored to be working on a FF mirrorless.

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May 18, 2016 15:25:51   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
That would be a nice addition to thier line,I guess I may need to rent a mirrorless to check it out, have heard that they are lighter
kymarto wrote:
Nikon is rumored to be working on a FF mirrorless.

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May 18, 2016 15:41:55   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
terry44 wrote:
That would be a nice addition to thier line,I guess I may need to rent a mirrorless to check it out, have heard that they are lighter


Terry, do you get out much? Isn't there a camera store close by? While I don't believe that mirrorless will take over DSLRs any time soon, but you can't pick up a magazine, look at a youtube video, etc... that doesn't mention mirrorless. Are you saying that the only thing you know about mirrorless cameras that they are lighter?

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May 18, 2016 18:26:31   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
yes I have not looked into them as I am happy for now with the tools that I have, I may rent one for a week and try it out but for now my Nikons and Pentax do exactly what I want them to do
tdekany wrote:
Terry, do you get out much? Isn't there a camera store close by? While I don't believe that mirrorless will take over DSLRs any time soon, but you can't pick up a magazine, look at a youtube video, etc... that doesn't mention mirrorless. Are you saying that the only thing you know about mirrorless cameras that they are lighter?

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May 19, 2016 21:45:08   #
Bruce M Loc: Northern Utah
 
Well said

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May 19, 2016 21:59:23   #
jeffhacker Loc: Dallas, Texas
 
terry44 wrote:
yes I have not looked into them as I am happy for now with the tools that I have, I may rent one for a week and try it out but for now my Nikons and Pentax do exactly what I want them to do



Guys, I have both types and they are both good. I use a Nikon D7200 but I also have an Olympus OM-D EM5 Mark II. Picture quality is similar with both; the Olympus is about half of the weight. The only downside I have noticed is that the Mirrorless design of the Olympus means that there can be some delay in using the electronic viewfinder, which makes a series of action shots (I.e., sports, airplanes, cars, etc.) a bit more difficult to take. BUT, at half the weight it is usually much easier to schlep around the Mirrorless than to have to carry my Nikon, along with the other stuff (lenses, flash, etc.). By the way, I would call myself a somewhat advanced amateur, but definitely not a top quality photographer,,,,, and I usually only carry basic equipment - with my Olympus, that is a kit 14-150 MM lens (crop factor is 2, so that's a 28-300 equivalent, along with a f1.8. 25 mm prime lens. With the Nikon, I use an 18-200 Nikon kit lens. Standard Olympus and Nikon flash units, nothing fancy.

I'd try out the Mirrorless cameras to see what you think. The ones I've used (including Sony, Panasonic, and Olympus) are pretty good. But I'm still a bit partial to my Nikon :-)

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May 19, 2016 23:39:10   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
jeffhacker wrote:
Guys, I have both types and they are both good. I use a Nikon D7200 but I also have an Olympus OM-D EM5 Mark II. Picture quality is similar with both; the Olympus is about half of the weight. The only downside I have noticed is that the Mirrorless design of the Olympus means that there can be some delay in using the electronic viewfinder, which makes a series of action shots (I.e., sports, airplanes, cars, etc.) a bit more difficult to take. BUT, at half the weight it is usually much easier to schlep around the Mirrorless than to have to carry my Nikon, along with the other stuff (lenses, flash, etc.). By the way, I would call myself a somewhat advanced amateur, but definitely not a top quality photographer,,,,, and I usually only carry basic equipment - with my Olympus, that is a kit 14-150 MM lens (crop factor is 2, so that's a 28-300 equivalent, along with a f1.8. 25 mm prime lens. With the Nikon, I use an 18-200 Nikon kit lens. Standard Olympus and Nikon flash units, nothing fancy.

I'd try out the Mirrorless cameras to see what you think. The ones I've used (including Sony, Panasonic, and Olympus) are pretty good. But I'm still a bit partial to my Nikon :-)
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May 20, 2016 14:45:40   #
Nightski
 
kymarto wrote:
As a professional photog who makes a good salary with a camera, I'd like to point out that cameras used by pros take no better pictures than those which pros normally do not use. Such a silly egoistic fantasy that some people have--that using a "professional" camera somehow puts them in another league, somehow above other photographers, somehow makes them too professionals.

I can tell you from doing this for a quarter century that pros do not care about the name on a camera or how professional the shutter sounds or how professional the buttons feel; they care about getting the shot and only that. Amateurs using pro gear live in the fantasy world that their gear somehow makes them something they are not.

One thing that I've never seen a pro do is sneer at another photographer's gear. They are happy to share their experiences with a camera and lens, both its good and bad points, but I've never seen a guy with an f2.8 lens put down a guy with an f4 lens. That's the province of amateurs who are insecure and mediocre and know it, and constantly have to compensate by showing "whose is biggest". It doesn't matter how many fps your camera can shoot if you are not pointed in the right direction at the right time and if you aren't in the right place to point the camera in the right direction at the right time.

I'll tell you one reason why Canon and Nikon are used by pros: they both have professional agencies like NPS for Nikon, where pros gets free servicing of their cameras on the spot at big events, can borrow lenses free, and get other perks that amateurs can only dream about. They spend a lot of money building up a professional client base because they know that burnishes their image and attracts scores of amateur wannabes who will buy their gear because pros use it.

The new Pentax FF is making big waves. The pixel shift feature promises to blow all other cameras out of the water in terms of DR and noise in situations where it can be used. A whole bunch of video pros I know are now getting rid of their Canons and Nikons in favor of Sony A7 series bodies. The only thing that matters is that your gear fulfills your needs and helps you realize your vision. The rest is the sad machinations of frustrated people who have to feel superior to others.

The beautiful thing about photography is that it is not resource-limited. As many people as want can take pictures of Yosemite without diminishing Yosemite in any way. Photography should be an art, not a contest, because there need be nothing to fight for. Taking a picture takes nothing away from anyone else; it simply adds to the beauty in the world. That is the magic of photography, and it's a shame to see that degraded by those to whom everything has to be a competition.
As a professional photog who makes a good salary w... (show quote)


I love this. I would like to add that no two pictures taken of Yosemite will ever be the same and that's what makes them special. Your camera is your paintbrush. Use it to share the view that you see. It's not like anyone else's.

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