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May 8, 2016 09:48:52   #
pelha Loc: middlle of nowhere NY
 
[quote=David Kay]
pelha wrote:
the 1st image i was able to clean up, mostly, except for purple tinges to the sconce lights.


The purple fringing appears to be Chromatic aberration, which is caused by the lens or if you have a UV filter on the front of a lens.

Google it and you will get a wealth of information.


computer is acting up.. anyway thanks! i do indeed have a uv - haze filter on the lens.

which brings me to the question of why it is a problem here, and hasn't been anywhere else, in rooms with cfl's. do you have any idea what might have been different about the lighting in that room (other than the wall colors)?

again thanks!

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May 8, 2016 10:04:28   #
Meives Loc: FORT LAUDERDALE
 
[quote=pelha]I tried to tweak, but no success. Often the wall colors will affect the color.





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May 8, 2016 10:09:22   #
lsimpkins Loc: SE Pennsylvania
 
R.G. wrote:
Don't underestimate the effect that reflected light can have on the ambient light. In both shots it looks like much of the light in the room is being bounced off of the walls, resulting in the colour of the walls having a pronounced effect on the colour of the ambient light.

Even in the case of down-lighting, the colour of the floor coverings will have a slight effect on the ambient light. But in these cases it's the walls that are the main influence.

I have to agree with RG, but add that increasing your flash power should help with the facial colors, as it will then be the dominant light source. Since the people in the first image are a ways from the back wall, shadows from the flash should not be too prominent.

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May 8, 2016 10:51:06   #
David Kay Loc: Arlington Heights IL
 
pelha wrote:
computer is acting up.. anyway thanks! i do indeed have a uv - haze filter on the lens.

which brings me to the question of why it is a problem here, and hasn't been anywhere else, in rooms with cfl's. do you have any idea what might have been different about the lighting in that room (other than the wall colors)?

again thanks!


My first response is if you have looked closely at your other photos to see if the problem is there and you can't see it until you look closely?

Again, C.A. is a crazy character, Check it out and you will see what I mean.

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May 8, 2016 11:02:45   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Hopefully you have a calibrated monitor.
If you use Photoshop go to IMAGE>ADJUSTMENT>MATCH COLOR and check NEUTRALIZE. If necessary play with FADE and do the rest of the adjustments if needed with Photoshop.
Tungsten lights will make your shots yellow.

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May 8, 2016 11:24:47   #
pelha Loc: middlle of nowhere NY
 
camerapapi wrote:
Hopefully you have a calibrated monitor.
If you use Photoshop go to IMAGE>ADJUSTMENT>MATCH COLOR and check NEUTRALIZE. If necessary play with FADE and do the rest of the adjustments if needed with Photoshop.
Tungsten lights will make your shots yellow.


i only have elements, with no adjustment choice under image. (i'm right now trying to decide whether to spend money of ps cc or dxo.)

with google i find a lot of people saying the filter isn't the problem, but those were written before cfl's & led room lighting.

i did find that because i had the f stop wide open, i invited more red & blue in onto the sensor. lesson learned! i don't use the flash very often, so i had opened the lens & cut down the flash power. should have gone the middle road there. (camera set to aperature priority.)

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May 8, 2016 12:43:20   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
pelha wrote:
i shot an event, raw, nikon d7100, using my somewhat old metz 44 af-1 @1/8 power. the 1st image was in one ballroom, the 2nd in another. i changed nothing other than focus from one room to the next. the attached images are direct export to jpg from my raw files, in lightroom 6, no postprocessing whatsoever. the 1st image i was able to clean up, mostly, except for purple tinges to the sconce lights. the pix from the 2nd room were easy to fix. anyone what any idea what the lighting might be in that 1st room? leds, maybe? and why the intense yellow in the 2nd one? i've shot other events in other venues, using exactly the same camera & flash, without either of these problems.
i shot an event, raw, nikon d7100, using my somewh... (show quote)


One of the things one runs into these days is a horrible combination of lighting in any formal location. I attended a reunion last weekend and was particularly aware of the various lighting used within the room, small fluorescent bulbs in the ceiling, incandescent bulbs along the walls, and LED fixtures on the floor to light the walls and ceiling. My only thought was I was glad I wasn't photographing anything that night.

One way to deal with that is to overpower the existing lights with a strobe. That will minimize the ambient lighting to some degree.

I took the liberty of trying to WB the images you posted. It was, to some extent, successful. There are some light tones that are just too overpowering to do anything with a minimum effort.
--Bob


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May 8, 2016 12:57:07   #
pelha Loc: middlle of nowhere NY
 
rmalarz wrote:
One of the things one runs into these days is a horrible combination of lighting in any formal location. I attended a reunion last weekend and was particularly aware of the various lighting used within the room, small fluorescent bulbs in the ceiling, incandescent bulbs along the walls, and LED fixtures on the floor to light the walls and ceiling. My only thought was I was glad I wasn't photographing anything that night.

One way to deal with that is to overpower the existing lights with a strobe. That will minimize the ambient lighting to some degree.

I took the liberty of trying to WB the images you posted. It was, to some extent, successful. There are some light tones that are just too overpowering to do anything with a minimum effort.
--Bob
One of the things one runs into these days is a ho... (show quote)


i found in lightroom the chromatic ab 'fix' and applied it. not sure i like the result, but that seems to be the solution available on my system.

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May 8, 2016 23:52:49   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
jdubu wrote:
Auto white balance is affected by what it perceives as neutral coloration of reflected light within the scene. Your examples have obvious differences in the majority of reflected color, the second has a lot of white reflection of your flash. That rendered your ambient lighting to incandescent yellow, as it should due to the color temp difference. The first tried to adjust for perceived neutral throwing your ambient light color accordingly.

When I shoot in events like this, I set the white balance to the ambient lighting and gel the flash to match the ambient color temp as closely as possible, unless I want a different look from subject to the background.

When I shoot in events like this, I set the white balance to the ambient lighting and gel the flash to match the ambient color temp as closely as possible, unless I want a different look from subject to the background.
I never use AWB because the white balance changes from photo to photo based on the scene. If I am in a static environment, I can do a quick custom white balance or a K setting, then change the WB to one of the standards if I move from that area to another differently lit area. Then change back if I return.

To me, much easier than dealing with adjusting color temp differences from flash and assorted ambient lighting in post.
Auto white balance is affected by what it perceive... (show quote)


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I've done that for years. I often put a CC .30 green gel over the flash to match cool white fluorescents. Then bring it all back to neutral with custom white balance. Mixed lighting is a pain, though.

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May 9, 2016 11:53:21   #
Meives Loc: FORT LAUDERDALE
 
pelha wrote:
i only have elements, with no adjustment choice under image. (i'm right now trying to decide whether to spend money of ps cc or dxo.)

with google i find a lot of people saying the filter isn't the problem, but those were written before cfl's & led room lighting.

i did find that because i had the f stop wide open, i invited more red & blue in onto the sensor. lesson learned! i don't use the flash very often, so i had opened the lens & cut down the flash power. should have gone the middle road there. (camera set to aperature priority.)
i only have elements, with no adjustment choice un... (show quote)


Photosop Element has adjust skin tone which I used on my post. David

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May 12, 2016 22:03:17   #
suci Loc: Texas
 
The light from the flash was insufficient for proper exposure, so ambient light is dominant, causing coloration. Either use flash or ambient light. Auto white balance was flummoxed by your settings. Plus your shots are under exposed, noisy and of course poorly lit. Your D7100 is capable to work with high ISO in low light without a flash.
One more thing! Why shoot in Raw and export a jpeg without corrections in raw. You are as well off if not better if you just shoot in jpeg, if you ignore your raw file anyways.

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May 13, 2016 14:04:47   #
a3dtot Loc: Houston, TX
 
I agree with those who mention the flash being insufficient to overcome ambient light. Looking at the first image it looks as though the WB is fine but the purple haze is reflection from wall color. The second image seems to be under exposed but again the WB seems ok. Some of this can easily be fixed during RAW conversion. I never let my camera develop jpegs unless I just want quick jpegs for showing others. I shoot RAW almost exclusively because even if the WB is off the white balance can be adjust by K. While it won't help with reflected color it can put the corrected WB.

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Feb 23, 2017 18:39:00   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
pelha wrote:
i shot an event, raw, nikon d7100, using my somewhat old metz 44 af-1 @1/8 power. the 1st image was in one ballroom, the 2nd in another. i changed nothing other than focus from one room to the next. the attached images are direct export to jpg from my raw files, in lightroom 6, no postprocessing whatsoever. the 1st image i was able to clean up, mostly, except for purple tinges to the sconce lights. the pix from the 2nd room were easy to fix. anyone what any idea what the lighting might be in that 1st room? leds, maybe? and why the intense yellow in the 2nd one? i've shot other events in other venues, using exactly the same camera & flash, without either of these problems.
i shot an event, raw, nikon d7100, using my somewh... (show quote)

You do have to expect different lighting in different rooms, rarely are they the same, so you have to adjust your camera to it, before taking your shots!

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