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Apr 20, 2016 13:05:59   #
windshoppe Loc: Arizona
 
Last evening my wife's computer suddenly "upgraded" to system 10 with no action on her part. This morning I awoke to find my own computer grinding away (at this point it's well past the 3-hour mark) saying "operations are in progress, please wait. The machine will be turned off automatically after the operations are complete." I'm assuming that this is also a forced upgrade to system 10, but 3 hours? Anyone have a suggestion as to what I can do to get my co-opted computer back? I can't believe that this can be legal. Class action suit, anyone?

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Apr 20, 2016 13:11:15   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
windshoppe wrote:
Last evening my wife's computer suddenly "upgraded" to system 10 with no action on her part. This morning I awoke to find my own computer grinding away (at this point it's well past the 3-hour mark) saying "operations are in progress, please wait. The machine will be turned off automatically after the operations are complete." I'm assuming that this is also a forced upgrade to system 10, but 3 hours? Anyone have a suggestion as to what I can do to get my co-opted computer back? I can't believe that this can be legal. Class action suit, anyone?
Last evening my wife's computer suddenly "upg... (show quote)


Windows 10 upgrades tend to take a while, between the download / update cycle and the installation / restart sequence.

As for legality, if you accepted the license agreement then you are probably not in a position to take any legal action.

However, this seems to be a recent trend, forcing upgrades upon people unless they take active measures to prevent such things. Microsoft has certainly become more aggressive over the past year, and Apple has also with its iOS upgrades. It seems to be the "new paradigm" for tech companies to force the pace, however irritating it may be.

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Apr 20, 2016 13:19:53   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles
 
I am happy with System 7. Or at least as happy as one can ever be with MicroTheft software. What MS is reportedly doing is illegal as hell.

As to me, I'm sending a certified letter today to MicroTheft making it clear that there's no consent to "upgrade" me and that any attempt to do so is criminal behavior.

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Apr 20, 2016 13:21:06   #
windshoppe Loc: Arizona
 
If it is, indeed, a trend it's a very disturbing one. At this point I've been unable to use my computer for almost 4 hours No warning, no "by your leave," no "would it be convenient for you to lose access to your computer today?" And probably most significant, "Do you wish to have a new system installed?" You're probably right concerning legal action, but I feel as though I'm being violated.

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Apr 20, 2016 13:24:57   #
cmc65
 
windshoppe wrote:
Last evening my wife's computer suddenly "upgraded" to system 10 with no action on her part. This morning I awoke to find my own computer grinding away (at this point it's well past the 3-hour mark) saying "operations are in progress, please wait. The machine will be turned off automatically after the operations are complete." I'm assuming that this is also a forced upgrade to system 10, but 3 hours? Anyone have a suggestion as to what I can do to get my co-opted computer back? I can't believe that this can be legal. Class action suit, anyone?
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This was announced more than a month ago. Windows 7 & 8 I believe.

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Apr 20, 2016 13:33:17   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
windshoppe wrote:
Last evening my wife's computer suddenly "upgraded" to system 10 with no action on her part. This morning I awoke to find my own computer grinding away (at this point it's well past the 3-hour mark) saying "operations are in progress, please wait. The machine will be turned off automatically after the operations are complete." I'm assuming that this is also a forced upgrade to system 10, but 3 hours? Anyone have a suggestion as to what I can do to get my co-opted computer back? I can't believe that this can be legal. Class action suit, anyone?
Last evening my wife's computer suddenly "upg... (show quote)


The Win7 or WIn8 to Win10 forced FREE upgrade has been discussed on here for months and months. One must turn off "automatic upgrades" and have the computer request your approval to do so, or this happens.

I also learned from Adobe tech support a month or so ago that if your Windows 10 is an upgrade that Adobe products on your computer won't likely work with it and you'll have to call for assistance and possibly reload the software that's not working BUT if you have a clean new Windows 10 that came on a new computer the Adobe products are 99.9% sure to work perfectly when you load them.

Several people on here have had problems with upgrading their Win7 or Win8 to Win10 and ultimately had to return to their original OS (although a friend of mine tried that with his Dell and it really messed up bad). Yet there are people on here who have had NO problems with upgrading. So get ready, and be prepared, to have some or all non-functioning stuff when it's over.

The PC I'm using right now is Win7 and I didn't let it auto upgrade. But I bought a newer, faster, better equipped model of the same Dell about 5 weeks ago and it has Win10 on it from the factory. It has worked virtually flawlessly since I got it. BUT... Dell keeps throwing update notices at me, one of which is a BIOS update. I don't really like to mess with BIOS, especially since the last update sat with a black screen for 26 hours and didn't reboot like it was supposed to. The update said DO NOT turn your computer off during the BIOS update because it could become completely inoperable, so what was I to do? I went ahead and turned it off and had to restart it with the power switch twice but it fortunately came back fine.

Win10 is known for updating itself regularly and it's hard to get it to stop doing that. It doesn't care if you're working on the PC at the time or not. That's a bit irritating but Win10 works quite well otherwise.

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Apr 20, 2016 13:38:18   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
windshoppe wrote:
If it is, indeed, a trend it's a very disturbing one. At this point I've been unable to use my computer for almost 4 hours No warning, no "by your leave," no "would it be convenient for you to lose access to your computer today?" And probably most significant, "Do you wish to have a new system installed?" You're probably right concerning legal action, but I feel as though I'm being violated.


This is a very major upgrade, which is why it is taking a long time. I agree with you about resenting the forced upgrade, especially without the opportunity to schedule it conveniently, unless there were notices that you didn't see or pay attention to.

Windows 10 is actually one of the best operating systems Murkysoft has ever produced, and in general they have handled the upgrade process better than any previous Windows version upgrade. However it is not without issues, and this forcing upgrades is definitely not a smart move, it is pissing many people off.

This timing is ironic. I've been using Windows 10 for many months, after testing it very carefully I've upgraded all of our systems ( I have six online currently), but today is the day I've decided to to do a clean W10 install on my main machine to replace the upgraded version from W764.

Good luck, I hope the upgrade goes smoothly.

There are also a bunch of settings that you need to pay attention to. Windows 10 is set by default to be quite intrusive and collects a lot of data unless you meticulously go through the setups and shut things down.

The upgrade to W10 is free, and paid for by all the data that it harvests from you. That is also another violation that needs to be paid attention to.

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Apr 20, 2016 13:47:36   #
windshoppe Loc: Arizona
 
cmc65 wrote:
This was announced more than a month ago. Windows 7 & 8 I believe.


Guess I didn't see it, as I've been in Arizona for the winter and using my Mac travel computer.

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Apr 20, 2016 13:48:21   #
windshoppe Loc: Arizona
 
marcomarks wrote:
The Win7 or WIn8 to Win10 forced FREE upgrade has been discussed on here for months and months. One must turn off "automatic upgrades" and have the computer request your approval to do so, or this happens.

I also learned from Adobe tech support a month or so ago that if your Windows 10 is an upgrade that Adobe products on your computer won't likely work with it and you'll have to call for assistance and possibly reload the software that's not working BUT if you have a clean new Windows 10 that came on a new computer the Adobe products are 99.9% sure to work perfectly when you load them.

All good to know. Thanks.













Several people on here have had problems with upgrading their Win7 or Win8 to Win10 and ultimately had to return to their original OS (although a friend of mine tried that with his Dell and it really messed up bad). Yet there are people on here who have had NO problems with upgrading. So get ready, and be prepared, to have some or all non-functioning stuff when it's over.

The PC I'm using right now is Win7 and I didn't let it auto upgrade. But I bought a newer, faster, better equipped model of the same Dell about 5 weeks ago and it has Win10 on it from the factory. It has worked virtually flawlessly since I got it. BUT... Dell keeps throwing update notices at me, one of which is a BIOS update. I don't really like to mess with BIOS, especially since the last update sat with a black screen for 26 hours and didn't reboot like it was supposed to. The update said DO NOT turn your computer off during the BIOS update because it could become completely inoperable, so what was I to do? I went ahead and turned it off and had to restart it with the power switch twice but it fortunately came back fine.

Win10 is known for updating itself regularly and it's hard to get it to stop doing that. It doesn't care if you're working on the PC at the time or not. That's a bit irritating but Win10 works quite well otherwise.
The Win7 or WIn8 to Win10 forced FREE upgrade has ... (show quote)

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Apr 20, 2016 13:53:21   #
windshoppe Loc: Arizona
 
Peterff wrote:
This is a very major upgrade, which is why it is taking a long time. I agree with you about resenting the forced upgrade, especially without the opportunity to schedule it conveniently, unless there were notices that you didn't see or pay attention to.

Windows 10 is actually one of the best operating systems Murkysoft has ever produced, and in general they have handled the upgrade process better than any previous Windows version upgrade. However it is not without issues, and this forcing upgrades is definitely not a smart move, it is pissing many people off.

This timing is ironic. I've been using Windows 10 for many months, after testing it very carefully I've upgraded all of our systems ( I have six online currently), but today is the day I've decided to to do a clean W10 install on my main machine to replace the upgraded version from W764.

Good luck, I hope the upgrade goes smoothly.



There are also a bunch of settings that you need to pay attention to. Windows 10 is set by default to be quite intrusive and collects a lot of data unless you meticulously go through the setups and shut things down.

The upgrade to W10 is free, and paid for by all the data that it harvests from you. That is also another violation that needs to be paid attention to.
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Yes, that's another real irritation - the collection of data! While I'm sure with enough investigation and effort one can figure out how to turn those features off, but this whole thing IMHO is a gross invasion of privacy.

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Apr 20, 2016 14:15:30   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
windshoppe wrote:
Yes, that's another real irritation - the collection of data! While I'm sure with enough investigation and effort one can figure out how to turn those features off, but this whole thing IMHO is a gross invasion of privacy.


Many people agree about that. There is a whole bunch of information if you google Windows 10 privacy about how to set things in the the best way. I'm busy now, but will try to find some links later.

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Apr 20, 2016 14:18:13   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles
 
The "forced upgrade" scheme and the "theft" of customer data, reinforce MS's well-deserved reputation as one of the sleaziest companies in the history of high-tech.

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Apr 20, 2016 14:36:30   #
Earworms Loc: Sacramento, California
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
The "forced upgrade" scheme and the "theft" of customer data, reinforce MS's well-deserved reputation as one of the sleaziest companies in the history of high-tech.


I took a disliking to Micro$oft way back in 1995 when they released Windows95. My preferred OS at the time was OS/2Warp (IBM) but Micro$oft's monopolistic licensing practices effectively closed the door on IBM's chances of ever getting a foothold on the desktop. OS/2Warp was way ahead on functionality and performance, and 32 bit at that when DOS/Windows was still 16 bit!

I recently bought a Lenovo laptop/tablet that came preloaded with Windows 10 and I can hardly stand to use it. I'm currently thinking of (maybe) trying to load UBUNTU on this machine, but it might be more than I bargained for.

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Apr 20, 2016 15:43:34   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles
 
When Dick Rutan captained the first non-stop flight around the world, he designed an onboard navigation system around Apple computers. Asked why he didn't use Windows, which was cheaper (and apparently being pushed by MS with promises of sponsorship), Rutan reportedly replied, "Are you nuts? This is mission-critical! Why would I use Windows?"

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Apr 20, 2016 15:45:37   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
Earworms wrote:
I took a disliking to Micro$oft way back in 1995 when they released Windows95. My preferred OS at the time was OS/2Warp (IBM) but Micro$oft's monopolistic licensing practices effectively closed the door on IBM's chances of ever getting a foothold on the desktop. OS/2Warp was way ahead on functionality and performance, and 32 bit at that when DOS/Windows was still 16 bit!

I recently bought a Lenovo laptop/tablet that came preloaded with Windows 10 and I can hardly stand to use it. I'm currently thinking of (maybe) trying to load UBUNTU on this machine, but it might be more than I bargained for.
I took a disliking to Micro$oft way back in 1995 w... (show quote)


I agree on OS/2. It was fast, easy to work with, did true multi-tasking in separate windows so they didn't crash each other, and I felt good using it and sticking it to Microsoft. I had hopes for it to become THE OS for everyone and was stunned when suddenly it became a pretty much worthless shell around a copy of real Windows 95 which was a total abortion. Then it was gone completely. Sad...

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