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Mar 19, 2016 07:52:05   #
ABJanes Loc: Jersey Boy now Virginia
 
Candid shots are the best and can be achieved nicely with an 18-140MM or an 18-200MM, which can be purchased refurbished reasonably. A speed light bounced and/or using a bounce card would be very helpful. Natural light can be beautiful but will vary significantly indoors relative to it's temperature making WB an issue. The fast lenses at short distances create issues for on the fly candids relative to shallow depth of field. Checkout this app on iTunes "Simple Depth of Field" it will allow you to see the issues by the numbers. The D5100 should handle ISO's as high as 1600, which will help. Chimp and magnify to see how you are doing for both natural light and flash. Can you go to the location ahead of time and take some test shots?
Sloaner wrote:
I have been selected to take pictures at my family reunion in July. It will be inside of a fairly well lit room so I don't want to use a flash. I have taken some shots in low light using a 35mm 1.8 lens on my D5100 which came out good with very little post processing. Because I'll be shooting families, probably above the waist, I'll need to back up to get the group. I'm planning on getting a 50mm 1.4 and shooting without a flash with a wide aperature. Does this seem like a reasonable approach?

Advice on the best way to take these pictures will be appreciated. I know if I screw this up I'll be in deep trouble.
I have been selected to take pictures at my family... (show quote)

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Mar 19, 2016 07:59:16   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
This is a very challenging shoot.
I shot family recently at a gathering and an casual dinner event
with the Sony a7s (super good low light) and the zeiss 55mm 1.8 a great lens. I got rave reviews for both shoot which surprised me. First their was a lot of great bokeh with this lens. And I tended to get up close which is always more interesting. But when I was at the dinner with a prime 55 I couldn't get around to places I wanted to be. Their is a place for zooms. My 28 to 70 mediocre kit lens will not give you the zeiss color and look.
You also need a shutter speed to catch the moment. A fast Nikon 85mm 1.8 which I own might be better. Great looking shots with soft bokeh shot from a distance. So it really boils down to what you as the photographer would like to accomplish.

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Mar 19, 2016 08:25:05   #
phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York
 
orrie smith wrote:
have you considered a zoom lens so you will not need to change lenses. the 24/85 or 24/120 would both fill your need for close ups and a little further out.


He's correct. Add a flash with bounce capabilities and you should be fine.

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Mar 19, 2016 08:46:57   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
Sloaner wrote:
I have been selected to take pictures at my family reunion in July. It will be inside of a fairly well lit room so I don't want to use a flash. I have taken some shots in low light using a 35mm 1.8 lens on my D5100 which came out good with very little post processing. Because I'll be shooting families, probably above the waist, I'll need to back up to get the group. I'm planning on getting a 50mm 1.4 and shooting without a flash with a wide aperature. Does this seem like a reasonable approach?

Advice on the best way to take these pictures will be appreciated. I know if I screw this up I'll be in deep trouble.
I have been selected to take pictures at my family... (show quote)


Your 35mm might just be the idea lens for you. What are the approximate dimensions of the room the people will occupy while you shoot? 50mm might be too tight, while the 35 offers a wider view, and that is important if you want survive this shoot. Are you on good speaking terms with everyone? Try your best to keep it that way. Good luck with this, it sounds as though it might be fun.

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Mar 19, 2016 10:11:11   #
lowkick Loc: Connecticut
 
joer wrote:
I would use a flash with bounce capability and go for a 24-105 zoom. Sigma makes a f4 art lens that gets very good reviews.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: OP didn't say what kind of camera he has or whether it is a crop sensor or full frame, but I have a Canon 24-124mm f4 on a full frame and that's what I would use in this situation. I would also bring a flash and a couple of light modifiers like a diffusion dome and an "on flash" soft box. This gives you plenty of flexibility, doesn't require a big gear bag or an assistant. It will give you good light for portraits and enough width for groups.

Group shots, especially of large groups, are not easy if the lighting isn't good. The are two problems with shooting group shots indoors. The first is getting enough depth of field to keep everyone sharp. More light will allow a smaller aperture, giving you greater DOF. The second is light falloff from flash at the outer edges of a group. I would suggest, if at all possible, that you visit the venue well ahead of time and take someone with you so you can get some test shots and see what you are dealing with. The other thing I would suggest is practicing with your gear to see what will work for you. You might want to use a second flash, even if it is hand held.

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Mar 19, 2016 10:34:00   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
lowkick wrote:
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: OP didn't say what kind of camera he has or whether it is a crop sensor or full frame, but I have a Canon 24-124mm f4 on a full frame and that's what I would use in this situation. I would also bring a flash and a couple of light modifiers like a diffusion dome and an "on flash" soft box. This gives you plenty of flexibility, doesn't require a big gear bag or an assistant. It will give you good light for portraits and enough width for groups.

Group shots, especially of large groups, are not easy if the lighting isn't good. The are two problems with shooting group shots indoors. The first is getting enough depth of field to keep everyone sharp. More light will allow a smaller aperture, giving you greater DOF. The second is light falloff from flash at the outer edges of a group. I would suggest, if at all possible, that you visit the venue well ahead of time and take someone with you so you can get some test shots and see what you are dealing with. The other thing I would suggest is practicing with your gear to see what will work for you. You might want to use a second flash, even if it is hand held.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: OP didn't say what... (show quote)


He said he had a D5100.

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Mar 19, 2016 12:14:56   #
Gifted One Loc: S. E. Idaho
 
Dat Be a Nikon. J. R.

Mac wrote:
He said he had a D5100.

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Mar 19, 2016 15:23:04   #
Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
Sloaner wrote:
I have been selected to take pictures at my family reunion in July. It will be inside of a fairly well lit room so I don't want to use a flash. I have taken some shots in low light using a 35mm 1.8 lens on my D5100 which came out good with very little post processing. Because I'll be shooting families, probably above the waist, I'll need to back up to get the group. I'm planning on getting a 50mm 1.4 and shooting without a flash with a wide aperature. Does this seem like a reasonable approach?

Advice on the best way to take these pictures will be appreciated. I know if I screw this up I'll be in deep trouble.
I have been selected to take pictures at my family... (show quote)


If you can push the ISO up to 3200, you will absolutely get some noise, but for these kind of family small group shoots, it will not be noticed. The advantage is that you can use an 18-200 lens at f3.5-5.0, etc. This gives you the flexibility to not have to change lenses when the action gets going. You can shoot a face and then get a whole group and then someone across the room. I do a lot of this kind of thing and it is my solution.

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Mar 19, 2016 15:34:15   #
scsdesphotography Loc: Southeastern Michigan
 
Sloaner, All the advice here is good, but I'll add my slant on this question. If your group shot involves more than five people then you'll want to use the 35 or even something wider. The question is how far back can you get, if the group is a dozen or more you may need 15 to 20 feet of space. You will want a couple of feet around the top and bottom and on the left and right edges so that you can do a proper crop for composition. Also if your shooting wide you will want to crop out the edges to eliminate barrel distortion at the edges. I typically use my Sigma 18-200 (at 18) or my Tokina 11-16 (at 16) for large groups.

The trick for shooting large groups is to get everyone's eye's in sharp focus so set your aperture for around f8-11, otherwise only the people in the center front will be sharp. I also suggest that you use live view for composing and taking the shot. Nikon's tend to do better with focus on groups with live view. And since this is an important pic follow the advice about using a speedlite.

Final piece of advice, talk to them as your composing, tell them your going to take a couple of "test" shots to make sure you got everyone's face in the picture. When your ready ask them to "close your eyes, on the count of 3 open your eyes look at the camera and smile." Take at least three shots in this way. Hopefully in at least one of those images they will all be looking at the camera and smiling!

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Mar 19, 2016 18:12:48   #
OviedoPhotos
 
joer wrote:
I would use a flash with bounce capability and go for a 24-105 zoom. Sigma makes a f4 art lens that gets very good reviews.


:thumbup:

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Mar 19, 2016 20:40:04   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Sloaner wrote:
I have been selected to take pictures at my family reunion in July. It will be inside of a fairly well lit room so I don't want to use a flash. I have taken some shots in low light using a 35mm 1.8 lens on my D5100 which came out good with very little post processing. Because I'll be shooting families, probably above the waist, I'll need to back up to get the group. I'm planning on getting a 50mm 1.4 and shooting without a flash with a wide aperature. Does this seem like a reasonable approach?

Advice on the best way to take these pictures will be appreciated. I know if I screw this up I'll be in deep trouble.
I have been selected to take pictures at my family... (show quote)


If you need to back up to get the group with a 35mm, why even consider a 50?

Goofy Newfy has a good idea. I'd pay heed to his advice.
--Bob

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Mar 21, 2016 18:14:10   #
dickwilber Loc: Indiana (currently)
 
Sloaner wrote:
I have been selected to take pictures at my family ... I know if I screw this up I'll be in deep trouble.


I have been doing this for some time. I was mentored by a number of excellent portrait photographers. Not one of them, and certainly not me, would ever consider doing this assignment without flash!

Did I say USE FLASH??? USE FLASH!!! Bounce it, or shoot it through an umbrella!!!

USE FLASH!!!

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Mar 21, 2016 19:07:14   #
GPS Phil Loc: Dayton Ohio
 
Sloaner wrote:
I have been selected to take pictures at my family reunion in July. It will be inside of a fairly well lit room so I don't want to use a flash. I have taken some shots in low light using a 35mm 1.8 lens on my D5100 which came out good with very little post processing. Because I'll be shooting families, probably above the waist, I'll need to back up to get the group. I'm planning on getting a 50mm 1.4 and shooting without a flash with a wide aperature. Does this seem like a reasonable approach?

Advice on the best way to take these pictures will be appreciated. I know if I screw this up I'll be in deep trouble.
I have been selected to take pictures at my family... (show quote)


Hey John, I have several lenses that you can try, might help you make a decision. The Sigma Art 24-105 that some one suggested, a 50 1.8 and a 20mm 1.8. Might not be the answer, but might help you sort this out and come to a good decision. Almost forgot, I have the Sigma 18-35 1.8, one of their Art series lenses, and extremely sharp.

Phil

Phil

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Mar 21, 2016 19:12:03   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
GPS Phil wrote:
Hey John, I have several lenses that you can try, might help you make a decision. The Sigma Art 24-105 that some one suggested, a 50 1.8 and a 20mm 1.8. Might not be the answer, but might help you sort this out and come to a good decision. Almost forgot, I have the Sigma 18-35 1.8, one of their Art series lenses, and extremely sharp.

Phil

Phil


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