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Mar 12, 2016 10:05:43   #
MarkD Loc: NYC
 
There are many compact cameras that give you manual controls. I think we should make a distinction between P&S cameras that offer few if any manual controls and compact cameras that offer many manual controls. I currently use a Nikon P7800 and a Panasonic ZS50 compact cameras, and both allow full manual control.

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Mar 12, 2016 10:13:39   #
Ranjan Loc: Currently Cyber-Nation!
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I wouldn't like to use a camera with no adjustments, but is there such a thing? Even cell phones have adjustments. I have an old Canon Elph SD800 from 2007, and that has lots of adjustments available.

For me, the big advantage of a DSLR is the larger size and the ease of making adjustments.

I think P&S is an inaccurate term for a compact camera. We all use the term "P&S,", and we all know what it means.


I think "P&S" is really a setting (the green camera icon on Nikons for instance) and can be seen on all kinds of cameras! I realize that some use P&S label for cheaper cameras, others for 'pocketable' cameras.

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Mar 12, 2016 10:25:08   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
lowkick wrote:
I read a lot of posts about people wanting easy to carry point and shoot cameras for every day use. As I thought about this, it dawned on me that I still wouldn't carry a (strictly) point and shoot most of the time. I happen to love using an adjustable camera. It doesn't have to be a DSLR, but I need to be able to control and adjust settings. That, to me, is half the fun. I have realized that, while I love photographic images and, like most of you, would hate to lose a potentially great image because I didn't have a camera with me, I get great enjoyment out of "using" the equipment, and I get no enjoyment out of using a point and shoot camera. Making the photo is at least as enjoyable to me as having the end result. Therefore, I would rarely pick up a point and shoot to take with me because there is no fun factor. Every time I grab my DSLR or bridge camera I feel the potential for enjoyment surge through my veins. Of course, I always have my cell phone camera with me for those occasions when I didn't bring a "real" camera. Do any of you feel the same way?
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For some one who has unlimited funds a 1DX2 or a D5 can be used as a point and shooter. And many of the P&S cameras hve many adjustable settings. As gear gets more and more sophisticated the differences get blurred

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Mar 12, 2016 11:09:05   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 

My Nikon D750 is a P&S. That's all I have to do when it's in Auto.

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Mar 12, 2016 11:48:14   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
I have an older, Nikon S8200 which is pretty much just a P&S camera. The only controls I have on it is a scene selection mode, otherwise, it's full auto. My other small camera is a Canon G16 which is pretty much point and shoot, but offers full manual control if I wish. I just wish it had a larger sensor. My FZ200 bridge camera is either full auto or full manual and everything in between. Then there's my IPhone 6S Plus, which has an amazing camera for a smart phone, and even that has some controls on it. Wherever I am, I always have one camera or another.

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Mar 12, 2016 11:58:16   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Ah, this is an angle that I had not thought of before. How much fun is any single use tool? A screw driver only does screws - how boring. In addition, an adjustable camera lets you interact with the scene, err image, and that is a part of the fun, too.

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Mar 12, 2016 12:43:49   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
John_F wrote:
Ah, this is an angle that I had not thought of before. How much fun is any single use tool? A screw driver only does screws - how boring. In addition, an adjustable camera lets you interact with the scene, err image, and that is a part of the fun, too.

OK But there are any number of types oif screwdrivers. If you have a phillips head screw a slotted screwdriver is useless. If you don't have the right tool you are up that famous creek with no paddle.

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Mar 12, 2016 12:53:19   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
boberic wrote:
OK But there are any number of types oif screwdrivers. If you have a phillips head screw a slotted screwdriver is useless. If you don't have the right tool you are up that famous creek with no paddle.


Well, you could poke the slotted in corner first and sorta make-do.

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Mar 12, 2016 13:00:28   #
Impressionist
 
lowkick wrote:
I read a lot of posts about people wanting easy to carry point and shoot cameras for every day use. As I thought about this, it dawned on me that I still wouldn't carry a (strictly) point and shoot most of the time. I happen to love using an adjustable camera. It doesn't have to be a DSLR, but I need to be able to control and adjust settings. That, to me, is half the fun. I have realized that, while I love photographic images and, like most of you, would hate to lose a potentially great image because I didn't have a camera with me, I get great enjoyment out of "using" the equipment, and I get no enjoyment out of using a point and shoot camera. Making the photo is at least as enjoyable to me as having the end result. Therefore, I would rarely pick up a point and shoot to take with me because there is no fun factor. Every time I grab my DSLR or bridge camera I feel the potential for enjoyment surge
through my veins. Of course, I always have my cell phone camera with me for those occasions when I didn't bring a "real" camera. Do any of you feel the same way?
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Though more possibilities open up when a DSLR is in hand, the challenges presented when having only the iPhone at hand are surprisingly rewarding. It is an effective photographic tool.

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Mar 12, 2016 13:55:43   #
lowkick Loc: Connecticut
 
waegwan wrote:
Wow! I think we have to define what is P&S. I can do full auto P&S kind of stuff with my Canon 6D and I can go full manual on my Canon SD600 or my wife's Canon SX160. I do have a Kodak EasyShare mini in the house that does not have shutter speed or aperture settings and neither does my phone so I guess they are the only P&S cameras I have although even on them I can select white balance, scene and picture size.

But yes, I have as much or more fun taking pictures as I do looking at them. To me having a camera that I cannot manipulate to get the shot the way I want it is frustrating. Besides it is fun just playing with the stuff and I have lots of stuff. :wink:
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Exactly! I have a Canon 6D and a 60D, and my "grab and go" camera is a Canon G1X Mark II. These are not the cameras I am referring to as point and shoot, although you can use them that way. I'm referring to the pocket point and shoot cameras. I have an older model Canon Elph that I bought as a grab and go pocket P&S camera with the only goal being to always have a camera with me and get the shot. It collects dust on the shelf (the Elph on the shelf?). I don't enjoy using it and I get just as good results with my cell phone camera. My G1X MII is my go to camera when I want to take a camera with me that gives me more latitude to adjust and get good shots, but I don't want bulky equipment in my way. For instance, taking it to a wedding or party where I am a guest. That camera can slip into my jacket pocket and all my accessories (an extra batter, extra card and lens cloth) fit into my pants pocket without even causing a bulge.

Frankly, after a while I get bored at affairs and welcome the distraction of having an adjustable camera like the G1X MII to play with. Anywhere I go that I think there is a possibility of getting good shots, but photography is not, at least partially, the reason for going, I take the G1X MII. If I'm going somewhere that photography is part of, if not the entire reason for going, I take a DSLR. The rest of the time, the Elph collects dust while I have my cell phone in my pocket.

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Mar 12, 2016 14:19:28   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
John_F wrote:
A screw driver only does screws...

... and pries open paint cans, punches holes in things, scrapes stuff off stuff - the list goes on.

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Mar 12, 2016 15:09:01   #
rbfanman
 
Bridge cameras are point & shoots....expensive point & shoots. Few P&S / bridge cameras have really wide apertures, or the ability to tilt-shift for Perspective control. Few do real 1:1 macro. Most use plastic lens elements, rather than glass ones. Why pay DSLR prices for P&S capabilities?

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Mar 12, 2016 15:25:05   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
lowkick wrote:
Do any of you feel the same way?


Well...about half that way.

I love my rangefinder but I also love my point and shoots. I love my Polaroid, and my Pentax SLR's too.

They are all different and the shooting experience is different on each of them and for some...the limitations are enjoyable also.

So I guess the answer is; yeah...somewhat :)

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Mar 12, 2016 15:37:14   #
sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant
 
a point and shoot compact camera is like a sand wedge in golf. a specific tool for specific situations. for example street photography. you are a lot less noticeable using a point and shoot then a dslr with the bigma sigma. I had a Nikon l22( I called her the pocket rocket) took her everywhere when I did not want to carry a dslr. also if you are at events where carrying a dslr would be difficult. I have taken shots with a p+s as good as ones by my Nikon dslr's( again proving its the photographer not the equipment.) Now have a refurbished canon powershot s100. got it refurbished saved beaucoup moola. built like a tank uses actual metal not plastic, and is easily adjustable so long as you use the menus.. also if you are shooting in a potentially dangerous area say downtown Detroit you can get your shots without a dslr with a bazooka lens that screams out mug me I have several thousand of dollars worth of equipment you can steal!!! Better having a camera with you even if it is a Holga, then having a d-5 sitting at the house.

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Mar 12, 2016 17:51:58   #
chase4 Loc: Punta Corona, California
 
rook2c4 wrote:
Even if your camera lacks most manual settings, there usually is a way, by carefully choosing from the settings provided, to make the camera do exactly what you want it to do - controlling shutter speed and aperture values, focusing, exposure compensation, white balance, etc. The problem is, most people don't take the time to familiarize themselves with the behavior of their p&s camera, what exactly each scene mode does, and how to manipulate its behavior with the provided adjustments! But it takes some amount of close observation and analysis to manipulate the camera's behavior effectively. Many people don't seem to have that sort of patience, let alone take the time to study the manual in full. Even the most simple p&s camera can be manipulated to produce the results you want. But you have to get to know it first.
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