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Feb 21, 2016 09:41:03   #
clanmack Loc: Asheville, NC
 
The built-in flash does not open, preventing photos. The mechanism makes close to the right sound, then error window pops up on the screen. Any ideas to unlock?

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Feb 21, 2016 09:45:33   #
lowkick Loc: Connecticut
 
clanmack wrote:
The built-in flash does not open, preventing photos. The mechanism makes close to the right sound, then error window pops up on the screen. Any ideas to unlock?


The Canon 6D doesn't have a built in flash.

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Feb 21, 2016 10:15:03   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
lowkick wrote:
The Canon 6D doesn't have a built in flash.


easy question i could answer and someone always beats me to it.

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Feb 21, 2016 10:25:42   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Ha ha ha ha is he messing with us?

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Feb 21, 2016 10:43:07   #
chaman
 
This is probably a typo. The guy meant 60D, check the signature.

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Feb 21, 2016 11:20:58   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
chaman wrote:
This is probably a typo. The guy meant 60D, check the signature.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Feb 21, 2016 12:31:55   #
clanmack Loc: Asheville, NC
 
Actually it is a 60D. Seems like it is more
Important to call out the mistake than to respond. Expected better

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Feb 21, 2016 12:45:58   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Yes, I'm going to assume we're talking about a 60D (not a 6D, which doesn't have a built-in flash).

EDIT: Ah! I see that it is a 60D.

If so, this isn't an uncommon problem with many different Canon DSLR models and there are two or three possibilities:

Usually it's the micro switch in the hot shoe that's causing problems. What's happening is the switch isn't fully returning to it's open position properly, so the camera "thinks" that there is a flash or other accessory mounted in the hot shoe, so is preventing the built-in flash from popping open and hitting a possible obstruction. Usually the camera will give you a warning on the LCD screen when this is occurring.

Fixing it typically couldn't be simpler. Holding the camera normally, look at the hot shoe closely with a flash light, under the leaf spring on the left you should see a tiny plastic "knob" sticking up. What usually happens is the hot shoe spring isn't allowing that pin to fully pop back up into the "open" position.

Just take a small screw driver or wooden toothpick, slide it under the leaf spring toward the rear of the camera to slightly bend the leaf spring upward a little more.

Note the emphasis on "slight"... it usually doesn't take much and fixes the problem immediately by allowing the little pin of the switch (which is also spring loaded) to more fully pop back up.

Alternatively, it could be that the micro switch is gunked up and sticking or that the little plastic piece has somehow gotten damaged. This website shows a DIY fix for that:
https://shimworld.wordpress.com/2009/02/26/canon-hotshoe-fix/

This usually isn't necessary, though. And more often than not the only reason you'd have to make up a replacement pin would be if you weren't careful during disassembly and lost the original part! However, the above site does have some good illustrations showing what to look for and how the parts fit together (not that you have to do any disassembly, if the above fix works). If you do need to disassemble, you would need precision screwdrivers... And a lot of care not to lose any of the tiny parts. It also might be a good idea to use Locktite on the screws during re-assembly (only a little and the blue type that allows for easy disassembly, if ever needed in the future).

But there also may be other factors. Here's a web site that shows a couple points that may need lubrication (after opening the flash by hand)...
http://www.tutorialgeek.net/2013/02/how-to-fix-popup-flash-on-your-camera.html

However, I don't agree with using WD40 for that purpose. It's actually a pretty poor lubricant and dries out rapidly. Most camera repair techs won't let WD40 anywhere near a camera! There are much better lightweight oils for the purpose (sewing machine oil, for example). I also certainly wouldn't spray anything in there... That's very risky, that you'll get the lubricant into places you really don't want it! If nothing else is available but a spray, instead just squirt a small amount of it into a bottle cap or something like that, then use a toothpick dipped in hat to pick up a small droplet and apply that to the points shown in at the above web site.

But, I bet 9 out of 10 times it's the first problem.

And, frankly, a 7D I've used for over five years has done this from new and I've never bothered to fix it. The reason is that built-in flashes are pretty much crap... so I don't use them. The only time I've ever noticed the problem on that camera was when I accidentally bumped the release button and the camera tried to open the flash... not that I was actually trying to use it. Can't recall the last time I used a built-in flash on any camera I own, for that matter.

The problems with built-in flashes are many. First, they're very under-powered... don't give you much reach at all. Also, they rely upon and rapidly drain the camera's main battery... shortening your shooting time a lot. And they're pretty slow recycling. Plus a built-in flash is in just about the worst possible place for redeye and ugly shadow effects!

Even the smallest dedicated accessory flash works much better. It will have more power, has it's own power supply and most will recycle faster. A flash that stands taller in the hot shoe will reduce chance of redeye and improve on shadows to some extent. But for even better results it can be put on a flash bracket and connected to the camera with an off-camera shoe cord, which will further reduce chance of redeye and ugly shadows by moving the flash farther from the lens axis.

Yes, a built-in flash might be handy in an emergency. And many of the more recent cameras' built-in flashes can control an off-camera flash wirelessly or provide focus assist in low light. However, they use a rather obnoxious rapid series of white light flashes to do so... While other accessories such as the ST-E2 flash controller can do the same with a much less noticeable near-IR light communication... Or the newer "R" type flashes and accessories that communicate with each other via radio waves that are both invisible and can work "around corners" as well as over greater distance.

In other words, I highly recommend getting an accessory flash, and just forget about using the built-in! IMO, that's the best solution of all.

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Feb 21, 2016 12:51:51   #
chaman
 
I think Ive tested the built in flash from my 7dII only once to check if it was working! LOL!

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Feb 21, 2016 15:25:41   #
clanmack Loc: Asheville, NC
 
Great info! Thanks for this. Will try it out. Thanks!

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Feb 22, 2016 07:59:23   #
02Nomad Loc: Catonsville, MD
 
I've never tried this myself, but back in the seventies I worked in a camera store and was told that if I ever needed lubrication for a part on a camera that I could use the "oil" from my nose. I have NO idea if this is true or not.

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Feb 22, 2016 08:16:22   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
clanmack wrote:
Actually it is a 60D. Seems like it is more
Important to call out the mistake than to respond. Expected better


When you ask a question you expect a response? When you ask a question using incorrect information how correct do you expect the answer to be? Give better information, expect better information. It is far more important to know what you are talking about before you talk, don't you think?

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Feb 22, 2016 10:33:33   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
davidrb wrote:
When you ask a question you expect a response? When you ask a question using incorrect information how correct do you expect the answer to be? Give better information, expect better information. It is far more important to know what you are talking about before you talk, don't you think?


He's just sensitive, like many others here that don't have much of a sense of humor.

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Feb 22, 2016 14:11:06   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Yes, I'm going to assume we're talking about a 60D (not a 6D, which doesn't have a built-in flash).

EDIT: Ah! I see that it is a 60D.

If so, this isn't an uncommon problem with many different Canon DSLR models and there are two or three possibilities:

Usually it's the micro switch in the hot shoe that's causing problems. What's happening is the switch isn't fully returning to it's open position properly, so the camera "thinks" that there is a flash or other accessory mounted in the hot shoe, so is preventing the built-in flash from popping open and hitting a possible obstruction. Usually the camera will give you a warning on the LCD screen when this is occurring.

Fixing it typically couldn't be simpler. Holding the camera normally, look at the hot shoe closely with a flash light, under the leaf spring on the left you should see a tiny plastic "knob" sticking up. What usually happens is the hot shoe spring isn't allowing that pin to fully pop back up into the "open" position.

Just take a small screw driver or wooden toothpick, slide it under the leaf spring toward the rear of the camera to slightly bend the leaf spring upward a little more.

Note the emphasis on "slight"... it usually doesn't take much and fixes the problem immediately by allowing the little pin of the switch (which is also spring loaded) to more fully pop back up.

Alternatively, it could be that the micro switch is gunked up and sticking or that the little plastic piece has somehow gotten damaged. This website shows a DIY fix for that:
https://shimworld.wordpress.com/2009/02/26/canon-hotshoe-fix/

This usually isn't necessary, though. And more often than not the only reason you'd have to make up a replacement pin would be if you weren't careful during disassembly and lost the original part! However, the above site does have some good illustrations showing what to look for and how the parts fit together (not that you have to do any disassembly, if the above fix works). If you do need to disassemble, you would need precision screwdrivers... And a lot of care not to lose any of the tiny parts. It also might be a good idea to use Locktite on the screws during re-assembly (only a little and the blue type that allows for easy disassembly, if ever needed in the future).

But there also may be other factors. Here's a web site that shows a couple points that may need lubrication (after opening the flash by hand)...
http://www.tutorialgeek.net/2013/02/how-to-fix-popup-flash-on-your-camera.html

However, I don't agree with using WD40 for that purpose. It's actually a pretty poor lubricant and dries out rapidly. Most camera repair techs won't let WD40 anywhere near a camera! There are much better lightweight oils for the purpose (sewing machine oil, for example). I also certainly wouldn't spray anything in there... That's very risky, that you'll get the lubricant into places you really don't want it! If nothing else is available but a spray, instead just squirt a small amount of it into a bottle cap or something like that, then use a toothpick dipped in hat to pick up a small droplet and apply that to the points shown in at the above web site.

But, I bet 9 out of 10 times it's the first problem.

And, frankly, a 7D I've used for over five years has done this from new and I've never bothered to fix it. The reason is that built-in flashes are pretty much crap... so I don't use them. The only time I've ever noticed the problem on that camera was when I accidentally bumped the release button and the camera tried to open the flash... not that I was actually trying to use it. Can't recall the last time I used a built-in flash on any camera I own, for that matter.

The problems with built-in flashes are many. First, they're very under-powered... don't give you much reach at all. Also, they rely upon and rapidly drain the camera's main battery... shortening your shooting time a lot. And they're pretty slow recycling. Plus a built-in flash is in just about the worst possible place for redeye and ugly shadow effects!

Even the smallest dedicated accessory flash works much better. It will have more power, has it's own power supply and most will recycle faster. A flash that stands taller in the hot shoe will reduce chance of redeye and improve on shadows to some extent. But for even better results it can be put on a flash bracket and connected to the camera with an off-camera shoe cord, which will further reduce chance of redeye and ugly shadows by moving the flash farther from the lens axis.

Yes, a built-in flash might be handy in an emergency. And many of the more recent cameras' built-in flashes can control an off-camera flash wirelessly or provide focus assist in low light. However, they use a rather obnoxious rapid series of white light flashes to do so... While other accessories such as the ST-E2 flash controller can do the same with a much less noticeable near-IR light communication... Or the newer "R" type flashes and accessories that communicate with each other via radio waves that are both invisible and can work "around corners" as well as over greater distance.

In other words, I highly recommend getting an accessory flash, and just forget about using the built-in! IMO, that's the best solution of all.
Yes, I'm going to assume we're talking about a 60D... (show quote)

Agree on about WD-40! WD-40 is not a lubricant!!

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Feb 22, 2016 16:51:25   #
clanmack Loc: Asheville, NC
 
Actually I do have a sense of humor, to wit: Marriage is God's way of preventing fights with strangers.

Point taken about incorrect information. I think my fingers have dyslexia or an aphasia or something.

I used to occasionally respond to other threads, but the trolls drove me off. Now I look through forum topics and chats for interesting photography tidbits, jokes (some great ones) and other interesting offerings, or when I have a question.

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