randymoe

I just read this from NAB. This new cinema camera will obsolete the newest Nikon and Canon camera video features.

I bet D800 orders take a dive. I am thinking of canceling as I wanted it for stills AND video.

http://www.videomaker.com/community/videonews/2012/04/13294-nab-2012-dont-miss-this-design-from-blackmagic/?utm_source=enews&utm_medium=email&utm_content=article1_2012_fri_04_20&utm_campaign=traffic

Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.

Darn :!:
Next thing my video camera will become obsolete for still photos. :-D

randymoe

Some of us do want a camera that does both.

There is no reason not to have both still and video. All the electrical and mechanical parts are there. It is simply firmware and software to make a camera do both.

molsonice Loc: Grand Blanc, MI

They are just like all those new appliances the more buttons you have to press and make decisions with the more things can go wrong with them. Get real and get one of each and you will be better off in the long run.

ward5311 Loc: Georgia

I doubt if many real professional photographers use their cameras for video.

molsonice Loc: Grand Blanc, MI

They are showing Hollywood dircttors shooting mivies with them so why not if you can get the video quality. I just perfer to use one of each to do the work. Here lies the problem when I have to do both I have to rely on the little women to help out and some times she forgets to press the record button so now I continue to goover the steps so we get all the video of the grand childern at their events.

wschubert Loc: Clarkston Washington

In many outings I shoot both pics and video for wildlife, offroad trips and family. It makes no sense to carry two cameras on these occasions especially since the video quality is so good on todays cameras (a Nikon D7000 in my case).

I also don't understand what real professional photographers have to do with how we use our equipment.

WildBill Loc: South West Florida

I do not like the video in my camera for the same reason I do not buy a TV with a built in DVD player. Technology changes (blu ray for example) now I have a tv with an outdated media. I cannot change out the DVD for the new media because it is part of the TV. Likewise, If the TV gets damaged, I have lost 2 pieces of electronics and have to replace both. Having a camera and a camcorder, I can bring both to an event. If I drop and damage one, I still will have media of the event because I do not have an all in one. Why put all your eggs in one basket if there is another plan? Why upgrade the camera if all you need is a new camcorder? If I wanted an all in one, I have it in my phone. I do not need my professional camera to do what my phone does already. If I want professional results for video, I buy a professional camcorder. If I want professional photos, I get a professional camera. If I want to make a you-tube video, I use my all in one... my phone.

rayford2 Loc: New Bethlehem, PA

I wouldn't bet on it, at least for now.
The Black Magic has some good attributes but it has some bad ones too.
One of the worst things about this camera is the battery is permanently fixed and not replaceable by a consumer; it has to be sent back to Calif. for battery replacement.
You have ca. 75 minutes of recording time and then have to recharge it for 2 hours.
You do have the option of an AC adapter or an external battery, but I haven't seen many outdoor places with AC receptacles. Hauling around another battery reminds me of the first VHS camcorders with separate camera and suitcase.
There's a niche out there for that camera and it's certainly inexpensive for what it claims to be, but I'd rather have the Nikon.
There aren't too many real reviews on this thing, and the comments on it are a mixture of good, bad, and people who don't know what they're talking about.

randymoe

Well, it does give me pause. An external battery is not a big deal for me as these rigs need so many externals to actually work I expect that.

It does make me rethink my D800 order.

As all technology goes, the new steel beat back the bronze weapons.

I just recycled my 32 year old JVC camcorder with suitcase. I made fond memories with that device.

camerabuff58 Loc: Ontario, Canada,

That's technology Randy. I could go out and buy a new TV or computer today and six months or less from now it would be obsolete. The important thing is to be happy with the purchase you make.

RMM Loc: Suburban New York

Correction: If you can buy it, it's already obsolete. The newer and better beastie already is being used in the lab.

PhotoArtsLA Loc: Boynton Beach

The new Blackmagic Cinema Camera ONLY shoots video. It does not do stills. Further, Blackmagic has gone back to the drawing board on the Cinema Camera. The attendees at NAB gave them a lot to think about, and expect the production model of the Cinema Camera to be quite a bit different.

As to the D800, it ALSO can produce uncompressed video through its HDMI port, but at 1080p, not 2.5K as the Cinema Camera. That said, the Cinema Camera, if you want to take advantage of compression to make those SSD cards last a lot longer, will do ProRes (Mac) and DNxHD (PC) compression, but ONLY in 1080p.

So, at 1080p, the Nikon D800 out-shoots the Cinema Camera. It is unclear if the SDI output of the Cinema Camera is recordable to another deck.

As to lenses, the Cinema Camera uses Canon and Nikon mounts.

Finally, the EXPEED 3 processor on the D800 provides much higher, high quality, high ISO shooting in video than does the Cinema Camera. ISO 2500, for example, is fine on the D800, but not available on the Cinema Camera, which tops out at about ISO 1600.

Were you planning on wooing Warner Bros. with your movie production, the Cinema Camera and Zeiss ZF lenses (starting at $3,900 each) are in your future.

If you just want to make state of the art, better than broadcast HDTV videos for your HDTV, the D800 absolutely fits the bill.

Of the two cameras, the D800 is the more versatile.

randymoe

Photoartsla, Thanks for the excellent analysis. I am simply trying to keep up with the latest developments.
quote=PhotoArtsLA]

The new Blackmagic Cinema Camera ONLY shoots video. It does not do stills. Further, Blackmagic has gone back to the drawing board on the Cinema Camera. The attendees at NAB gave them a lot to think about, and expect the production model of the Cinema Camera to be quite a bit different.

As to the D800, it ALSO can produce uncompressed video through its HDMI port, but at 1080p, not 2.5K as the Cinema Camera. That said, the Cinema Camera, if you want to take advantage of compression to make those SSD cards last a lot longer, will do ProRes (Mac) and DNxHD (PC) compression, but ONLY in 1080p.

So, at 1080p, the Nikon D800 out-shoots the Cinema Camera. It is unclear if the SDI output of the Cinema Camera is recordable to another deck.

As to lenses, the Cinema Camera uses Canon and Nikon mounts.

Finally, the EXPEED 3 processor on the D800 provides much higher, high quality, high ISO shooting in video than does the Cinema Camera. ISO 2500, for example, is fine on the D800, but not available on the Cinema Camera, which tops out at about ISO 1600.

Were you planning on wooing Warner Bros. with your movie production, the Cinema Camera and Zeiss ZF lenses (starting at $3,900 each) are in your future.

If you just want to make state of the art, better than broadcast HDTV videos for your HDTV, the D800 absolutely fits the bill.

Of the two cameras, the D800 is the more versatile.[/quote]