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Jan 5, 2016 16:33:58   #
Dan De Lion Loc: Montana
 
I purchased a Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 in December. It is a remarkably sharp lens that can be hand held at ridiculously low shutter speeds.

I wonder which of three possible ways to extend its reach would work best: 1) For $500 buy a TC14E III, 2) Buy a D7200 for $1100, or 3) simply crop the D810 files to the DX size which yields a sensor size of approximately 15 or 16 MB.

Has anyone ever compared the IQ’s of these approaches? My suspicion is that the D7200 would be best, the cropped sensor would be second, and the TC14 would come in with the lowest IQ.

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Jan 5, 2016 22:10:28   #
CraigFair Loc: Santa Maria, CA.
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
I purchased a Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 in December. It is a remarkably sharp lens that can be hand held at ridiculously low shutter speeds.

I wonder which of three possible ways to extend its reach would work best: 1) For $500 buy a TC14E III, 2) Buy a D7200 for $1100, or 3) simply crop the D810 files to the DX size which yields a sensor size of approximately 15 or 16 MB.

Has anyone ever compared the IQ’s of these approaches? My suspicion is that the D7200 would be best, the cropped sensor would be second, and the TC14 would come in with the lowest IQ.
I purchased a Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 in December. It... (show quote)

There's no way the D7200 will give better IQ over the D810 even cropped.
The D7200 actually just crops for you because it's a smaller sensor and only see's the center portion of the Lens.
The Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 is an FX Lens.
The TC14E III is not the right choice either I don't think it is compatible with that Lens.
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/teleconverters/af-s_tc-14e_3/spec.htm
Craig

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Jan 5, 2016 22:24:56   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
I purchased a Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 in December. It is a remarkably sharp lens that can be hand held at ridiculously low shutter speeds.

I wonder which of three possible ways to extend its reach would work best: 1) For $500 buy a TC14E III, 2) Buy a D7200 for $1100, or 3) simply crop the D810 files to the DX size which yields a sensor size of approximately 15 or 16 MB.

Has anyone ever compared the IQ’s of these approaches? My suspicion is that the D7200 would be best, the cropped sensor would be second, and the TC14 would come in with the lowest IQ.
I purchased a Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 in December. It... (show quote)


None of the above.

Go for the new Nikon D500 and solve all your issues!

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Jan 5, 2016 22:40:28   #
CraigFair Loc: Santa Maria, CA.
 
MT Shooter wrote:
None of the above.

Go for the new Nikon D500 and solve all your issues!

The D500 is only a 20.9MP DX Camera???

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Jan 5, 2016 22:43:43   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
CraigFair wrote:
The D500 is only a 20.9MP DX Camera???


Yes, a big jump up from the 12.2MP D300's. And other features that blow anything else on the market completely away! Its a Pro DX camera to satisfy the most discriminating Pro sports photographer.

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Jan 5, 2016 23:46:27   #
Macronaut Loc: Redondo Beach,Ca.
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
I purchased a Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 in December. It is a remarkably sharp lens that can be hand held at ridiculously low shutter speeds.

I wonder which of three possible ways to extend its reach would work best: 1) For $500 buy a TC14E III, 2) Buy a D7200 for $1100, or 3) simply crop the D810 files to the DX size which yields a sensor size of approximately 15 or 16 MB.

Has anyone ever compared the IQ’s of these approaches? My suspicion is that the D7200 would be best, the cropped sensor would be second, and the TC14 would come in with the lowest IQ.
I purchased a Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 in December. It... (show quote)
It sounds as if you already have the 810. If that's the case, why not field test it and see if you want/need more out of it.

I would think that with more you could crop even more in post with the 7200 because of the higher pixel density. Though the fewer pixels in the 810 seem to be capable of better resolution (so to speak).

I crop heavily in some of my macro and love the resolution of both my 7100 and 810. However, I can crop slightly more with the 7100 but, I love the kind of images the 810 produces even when cropped a lot.

I think you may lose more IQ than you want to if you use a TC.

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Jan 6, 2016 05:37:52   #
JPL
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
I purchased a Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 in December. It is a remarkably sharp lens that can be hand held at ridiculously low shutter speeds.

I wonder which of three possible ways to extend its reach would work best: 1) For $500 buy a TC14E III, 2) Buy a D7200 for $1100, or 3) simply crop the D810 files to the DX size which yields a sensor size of approximately 15 or 16 MB.

Has anyone ever compared the IQ’s of these approaches? My suspicion is that the D7200 would be best, the cropped sensor would be second, and the TC14 would come in with the lowest IQ.
I purchased a Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 in December. It... (show quote)


Your easiest choice is to crop the D810 files, will cost you nothing, your second best choice is to buy the new D500, will cost you $2000 but you also get 10fps and low light capabilities and high ISO much better than your D810 has, you third choice is to buy a D500 first and then a teleconverter.

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Jan 6, 2016 06:55:28   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
I purchased a Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 in December. It is a remarkably sharp lens that can be hand held at ridiculously low shutter speeds.

I wonder which of three possible ways to extend its reach would work best: 1) For $500 buy a TC14E III, 2) Buy a D7200 for $1100, or 3) simply crop the D810 files to the DX size which yields a sensor size of approximately 15 or 16 MB.

Has anyone ever compared the IQ’s of these approaches? My suspicion is that the D7200 would be best, the cropped sensor would be second, and the TC14 would come in with the lowest IQ.
I purchased a Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 in December. It... (show quote)


On my last trip i started out using a D7100 + 80-400 and then switched to D810 + 80-400 better results with the D810 cropped the with the D7200

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Jan 6, 2016 11:05:04   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
I purchased a Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 in December. It is a remarkably sharp lens that can be hand held at ridiculously low shutter speeds.

I wonder which of three possible ways to extend its reach would work best: 1) For $500 buy a TC14E III, 2) Buy a D7200 for $1100, or 3) simply crop the D810 files to the DX size which yields a sensor size of approximately 15 or 16 MB.

Has anyone ever compared the IQ’s of these approaches? My suspicion is that the D7200 would be best, the cropped sensor would be second, and the TC14 would come in with the lowest IQ.
I purchased a Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 in December. It... (show quote)


Cropping with well applied pixel enlargement is the way to go. - No loss of light, DOF, or weight/physical issues as with TC.

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Jan 6, 2016 11:19:36   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
I purchased a Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 in December. It is a remarkably sharp lens that can be hand held at ridiculously low shutter speeds.

I wonder which of three possible ways to extend its reach would work best: 1) For $500 buy a TC14E III, 2) Buy a D7200 for $1100, or 3) simply crop the D810 files to the DX size which yields a sensor size of approximately 15 or 16 MB.

Has anyone ever compared the IQ’s of these approaches? My suspicion is that the D7200 would be best, the cropped sensor would be second, and the TC14 would come in with the lowest IQ.
I purchased a Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 in December. It... (show quote)


You can use the 200-500 with a 1.4 TC and still have AF (Under f/8) with the D810. You will degrade the image by only 4% according to tests conducted by Photography life but you will need to shoot a slower SS to correct for light and it will become more of an issue in low light. But it will work.

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Jan 6, 2016 12:51:06   #
Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
CraigFair wrote:
There's no way the D7200 will give better IQ over the D810 even cropped.
The D7200 actually just crops for you because it's a smaller sensor and only see's the center portion of the Lens.
The Nikkor 200-500 f5.6 is an FX Lens.
The TC14E III is not the right choice either I don't think it is compatible with that Lens.
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/teleconverters/af-s_tc-14e_3/spec.htm
Craig


The D7200 does not "crop"the D810 image. Both cameras have 24mpx sensors. So cropping the D810 image will reduce that to about 18 mpx. Of course in the larger sensor, each pixel carries more information which, theoretically, provides some advantage. The angle of view on the D7200 will be narrower using the same lens, but when you crop the D810 image, you are throwing away pixels.

That isn't actually such a bad thing. It is one of the reasons you pay so much extra for the larger sensor. You can throw away some of it and still print 3x5 FOOT prints for your wall.

You can actually do the same with the aps-c sensor, but it requires more careful handling and using Perfect Resize to upsize the image rather than the anemic resizing built into photoshop.

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Jan 6, 2016 15:47:47   #
jr168
 
I had a similar scenario with the Tamron 150-600. I thought that the D7200 would give me better images than the D810 in crop mode. I was wrong. Even though the D810 only gives you a 16 meg image, I felt the images were better. Even if you shot full frame and cropped, the image was better. I think it is because the pixel pitch of the D810 is larger than the 7200 which gives it better signal to noise ratio and more dynamic range (4.87up vs 3.89up). I wouldn't recommend a teleconverter if image quality is what you are seeking.

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Jan 6, 2016 16:53:05   #
CraigFair Loc: Santa Maria, CA.
 
Reinaldokool wrote:
The D7200 does not "crop"the D810 image. Both cameras have 24mpx sensors. So cropping the D810 image will reduce that to about 18 mpx. Of course in the larger sensor, each pixel carries more information which, theoretically, provides some advantage. The angle of view on the D7200 will be narrower using the same lens, but when you crop the D810 image, you are throwing away pixels.

That isn't actually such a bad thing. It is one of the reasons you pay so much extra for the larger sensor. You can throw away some of it and still print 3x5 FOOT prints for your wall.

You can actually do the same with the aps-c sensor, but it requires more careful handling and using Perfect Resize to upsize the image rather than the anemic resizing built into photoshop.
The D7200 does not "crop"the D810 image.... (show quote)

The D7200 is only a 24MP Camera where the D810 is a 32MP Camera.
A huge difference. And to quote Jr the D810 has better signal to noise ratio and more dynamic range (4.87up vs 3.89up).
Dah

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Jan 6, 2016 16:55:39   #
Macronaut Loc: Redondo Beach,Ca.
 
CraigFair wrote:
The D7200 is only a 24MP Camera where the D810 is a 32MP Camera.
A huge difference. And to quote Jr the D810 has better signal to noise ratio and more dynamic range (4.87up vs 3.89up).
Dah
The 810 in crop mode is not 36mp.

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Jan 6, 2016 17:00:24   #
jr168
 
Another advantage of using the D810 in crop mode vs the D7200, is if you have the battery grip and AA's or the EN-EL18 battery, you can get 7 fps vs 6 on the 7200. Comes in handy for birders or sports shooting.

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