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Jan 6, 2016 12:43:33   #
busmaster2 Loc: College Point NY
 
MW wrote:
I have a little experience using some old lenses (cold war era Russian an East German) mounted on a Fuji X-E2 using an M42(screw mount) >> Fuji X adapter. I tend to use them wide or nearly wide open and close to the subject. With a little practice and "focus peaking" accurate focus is not difficult. As you may guess from the above, I'm deliberately using them in a way that results in some softness.

However, when these are stopped down and the composition needs sharpness only in the center you would be hard pressed to see any difference from modern lenses. AF even in the latest lenses often doesn't work too well close up. I find focus peaking when the subject is very close but not necessarily at macro distance gets more reliable results.

I also have an an older Nikon AF-D 105mm micro. I always found focusing hand held at very close distances was very difficult on a D7100. Adapted to the Fuji and using focus peaking its actually a bit easier.
I have a little experience using some old lenses (... (show quote)

I have two Zeiss c/y lenses which on my Contax body were only fair in their renditions. This even though they were manual lenses. However, since getting an a7ii I think I've achieved some impressive results with these so called "fair lenses". So I tend to think that these new cameras have the ability to bring out the best in any lens. I also rely heavily on all my old m42 lenses...they too are fantastic on this camera. Personally, since I don't shoot sports I find manual focus to be great on these (a7ii and a77) cameras. Focus peaking is a godsend.



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Jan 6, 2016 15:13:27   #
pelha Loc: middlle of nowhere NY
 
GENorkus wrote:
Older lenses, in a simple sence, "splattered" the light on the film. This can be done because film was basically flat.

Modern lenses try to get the light going on the sensor in as straight a line as possible.

This is because of the small amount of depth a sensor needs to have. Looking at it in a simple way, think of a honey comb. Even though they have brought the sensor towards the front, there still is a touch of "wall" that blocks each sensor.

When the light travels "less straight" a very small part of it bleeds into the next sensor "honey comb". (Purple fringing and the likes.)

I think I said that right?
Older lenses, in a simple sence, "splattered&... (show quote)


so this may explain why my old (F2 era) lenses aren't nearly as clear on my D7100 as the kit 18-140mm lens that came with the body. I also suspect some light leakage, maybe in the mount ring. But even using manual focus, for all 4 lenses, the images are not in sharp focus.

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Jan 6, 2016 21:11:28   #
GENorkus Loc: Washington Twp, Michigan
 
pelha wrote:
so this may explain why my old (F2 era) lenses aren't nearly as clear on my D7100 as the kit 18-140mm lens that came with the body. I also suspect some light leakage, maybe in the mount ring. But even using manual focus, for all 4 lenses, the images are not in sharp focus.


If you suspect light leakage from around the mounting rind, experiment by putting a rubber band around the area. Try it both ways, with and without. Also at the same subject.

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Jan 7, 2016 07:39:55   #
pelha Loc: middlle of nowhere NY
 
GENorkus wrote:
If you suspect light leakage from around the mounting rind, experiment by putting a rubber band around the area. Try it both ways, with and without. Also at the same subject.


thanks! will do.

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Jan 7, 2016 08:37:59   #
zigipha Loc: north nj
 
GENorkus wrote:
Older lenses, in a simple sence, "splattered" the light on the film. This can be done because film was basically flat.

Modern lenses try to get the light going on the sensor in as straight a line as possible.

This is because of the small amount of depth a sensor needs to have. Looking at it in a simple way, think of a honey comb. Even though they have brought the sensor towards the front, there still is a touch of "wall" that blocks each sensor.

When the light travels "less straight" a very small part of it bleeds into the next sensor "honey comb". (Purple fringing and the likes.)

I think I said that right?
Older lenses, in a simple sence, "splattered&... (show quote)


film was not PERFECTLY flat; there was the physical curve of the lens and also the different emulsions were at different depths. this is where depth of FOCUS (not depth of field) comes from.

Sensors have little lenses on top of the photosites to pull in the light that hits the top of sites.

so I think your flat vs depth analogy is a bit off

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Jan 7, 2016 09:08:29   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
busmaster2 wrote:
I have two Zeiss c/y lenses which on my Contax body were only fair in their renditions. This even though they were manual lenses. However, since getting an a7ii I think I've achieved some impressive results with these so called "fair lenses". So I tend to think that these new cameras have the ability to bring out the best in any lens. I also rely heavily on all my old m42 lenses...they too are fantastic on this camera. Personally, since I don't shoot sports I find manual focus to be great on these (a7ii and a77) cameras. Focus peaking is a godsend.
I have two Zeiss c/y lenses which on my Contax bod... (show quote)


^^^That is a BEAUTIFUL image. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jan 7, 2016 10:42:23   #
GENorkus Loc: Washington Twp, Michigan
 
zigipha wrote:
film was not PERFECTLY flat; there was the physical curve of the lens and also the different emulsions were at different depths. this is where depth of FOCUS (not depth of field) comes from.

Sensors have little lenses on top of the photosites to pull in the light that hits the top of sites.

so I think your flat vs depth analogy is a bit off


Agree about flatness as there is nothing 100% in photography.

If you noticed, I made sure to include a few words that implied "aproximate". Words like "basically".

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Jan 7, 2016 10:59:42   #
zigipha Loc: north nj
 
Yes u did but your conckusuon about how old lenses splattered vs new lenses straight line because of film/sensor is wrong. Lenses akways do straight. Lenses from years,ago work fine with sensors.

Purple fringe is due to lens chromatic,abberation not due to sensor/ film

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