Any math wizards here? Redoing UHH contests.
Apr 20, 2012 12:54:39 #
Apr 20, 2012 12:56:36 #
1a + 2b + 3c + 4d + 5e = total score, where the letters a through e are the number of people who voted for a photo at that level of scoring. In words, the equation reads as follows:
a is the number of people giving a score of 1 (one)
b is the number of people giving a score of 2 (two)
c is the number of people giving a score of 3 (three)
d is the number of people giving a score of 4 (four)
e is the number of people giving a score of 5 (five)
Example: a photo gets three votes of 2, four votes of 3 and five votes of 5. Then this photo would have a final score of 6 + 12 +25 = 43.
a is the number of people giving a score of 1 (one)
b is the number of people giving a score of 2 (two)
c is the number of people giving a score of 3 (three)
d is the number of people giving a score of 4 (four)
e is the number of people giving a score of 5 (five)
Example: a photo gets three votes of 2, four votes of 3 and five votes of 5. Then this photo would have a final score of 6 + 12 +25 = 43.
Apr 20, 2012 12:57:59 #
Please excuse all the double and triple postings this morning. The coffee is extra weak today.
Apr 20, 2012 13:00:02 #
Admin wrote:
I'm thinking another option is to dilute the votin... (show quote)
I like this proposal. Is like betting at the track (but without the risk). You can put all of your money on the one you think is the best, or do a win-place-show for the top 3.
I like it!
Apr 20, 2012 13:17:27 #
alienmurphy wrote:
I have voted in each of the contests that UHH has ... (show quote)
The reason I said that we could vote for maybe the top five (without putting numbers on them) photos is that because there are many "winners" in my opinion. Each one for maybe different reasons. Criteria for judging a photo is important. There should be some guidelines given for voters to at least think about or consider when casting their votes(s.)
Such as: sharpness, composition, color, difficulty in obtaining shot, creativity, overall appeal, etc.
As for judging many different photos and giving them all a number value, that is much too involved and time consuming.
Like Alienmurphy, I too, look at and go over each and every entry. Looking at the downloaded version of those which I consider eligible winners.
Personally, not that it really matters, but I wouldn't bother to vote if I have to jump through time-consuming, convoluted hoops for a photo contest on a forum.
Keep it simple folks. Absolutely no need to go to such extremes and it could still be fair and balanced for all.
I was under the impression that contests on UH were supposed to be for FUN! :D
Apr 20, 2012 13:21:29 #
Joyfullee wrote:
Personally, not that it really matters, but I wouldn't bother to vote if I have to jump through time-consuming, convoluted hoops for a photo contest on a forum.
Keep it simple folks. Absolutely no need to go to such extremes and it could still be fair and balanced for all.
I was under the impression that contests on UH were supposed to be for FUN! :D
Keep it simple folks. Absolutely no need to go to such extremes and it could still be fair and balanced for all.
I was under the impression that contests on UH were supposed to be for FUN! :D
Ditto!!
Apr 20, 2012 13:36:04 #
Admin wrote:
We already have this option.
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No voting until all entries have been received.
We already have this option.
It needs to be mandatory, not optional. Early voting skews the results.
Admin wrote:
That's true. But I'm not sure what would be the appropriate size. If I make the thumbnails bigger, then people on slow connections would have to wait forever to load, say, 200 images just to see what's in the contest.
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Additionally, I have an issue with the small size of the thumbnail images. They are really too small to properly indicate which images are worth a closer look.
That's true. But I'm not sure what would be the appropriate size. If I make the thumbnails bigger, then people on slow connections would have to wait forever to load, say, 200 images just to see what's in the contest.
I suggest doubling the current size. People using high-res monitors are seeing postage stamp size images, and must open the larger versions to adequately evaluate it. It probably takes longer to do that, than it would to initially download larger thumbnails.
Admin wrote:
We already have the means to implement something like that with the current system.
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Maybe allow everyone one vote but no tally till end of contest.
We already have the means to implement something like that with the current system.
Again, this should be mandatory. Showing the running tally also skews the result.
Admin wrote:
But on UHH, we have something like 300-400 people who are ready to vote, with 150 of them submitting their own pictures. And even if I bump up the internal marketing of the contests to make sure every single UHH user is aware of an ongoing contest, the overall numbers would increase, but the ratio would probably stay the same.
So rather than having a ratio of 20,000:3, we have it as 400:150 (or 8:3).
So rather than having a ratio of 20,000:3, we have it as 400:150 (or 8:3).
I have noticed this also. It seems to me that the total number of people voting is usually only a few more than the total number of entries.
Also puzzling is the fact that a large number of entries do not get any votes at all. The photographer doesn't even bother to vote for their own photo.
Of course, if everyone entering voted for their own photo, and no one else voted, there would never be a winner.
This brings up the need to get more people interrested in voting even if they don't intend to enter. And perhaps those entering should not be allowed to vote at all, since if you're not voting for your own entry, why are you entered?
Is it not unusual to allow the entrants to vote on their own entries?
Apr 20, 2012 13:46:30 #
I like the idea of two stage judging.
All the photos entered in a contest should be displayed in thumbnails for UHH member viewing. But judging should be done in two stages.
First, a panel of judges could select five, ten, or twenty finalists. Their judging would be based on specific criteria unique to each contest. The finalists would then be displayed for member voting (one vote per member). In all cases, the names of judges would not be displayed, nor the names of the photographers. And all photos would be numbered (not named). One of the rules might state that judges could not enter their own photos in any contest they were judging.
Personally, I would not like to carefully examine a couple of hundrends photos every month (as a judge). But I wouldn't mind doing it once or twice a year. However, as a viewer, I would enjoy examining ten or twenty finalists each month.
All the photos entered in a contest should be displayed in thumbnails for UHH member viewing. But judging should be done in two stages.
First, a panel of judges could select five, ten, or twenty finalists. Their judging would be based on specific criteria unique to each contest. The finalists would then be displayed for member voting (one vote per member). In all cases, the names of judges would not be displayed, nor the names of the photographers. And all photos would be numbered (not named). One of the rules might state that judges could not enter their own photos in any contest they were judging.
Personally, I would not like to carefully examine a couple of hundrends photos every month (as a judge). But I wouldn't mind doing it once or twice a year. However, as a viewer, I would enjoy examining ten or twenty finalists each month.
Apr 20, 2012 13:59:50 #
A two tier system might work best. The first tier during the submission period allowing people to vote up to ten points 1-10 for up to 10 photos. In bigger contests this brings the most popular photos toward the top (and probably better ones, with a small added reward for entering promtly.
Then for the final voting phase one vote per voter would be for place... at least 1 through 10 places, if not for ALL places that get any votes, to encourage those who participated.
A person could accumulate photographic Rank based on the place values they have won. Many ways of doing that. Ranked on a base of 100 and used as percentile...or given a valued score such as 10 for 1st, 6 for 2nd, 4 for 3rd, and 1 for 4th. Much as a cash prize would be divided up.
Any competition really must be a competition but it's outcome should be something the participants can gather, hoard, count, respect...and never just for the convienence of the operators.
T
Then for the final voting phase one vote per voter would be for place... at least 1 through 10 places, if not for ALL places that get any votes, to encourage those who participated.
A person could accumulate photographic Rank based on the place values they have won. Many ways of doing that. Ranked on a base of 100 and used as percentile...or given a valued score such as 10 for 1st, 6 for 2nd, 4 for 3rd, and 1 for 4th. Much as a cash prize would be divided up.
Any competition really must be a competition but it's outcome should be something the participants can gather, hoard, count, respect...and never just for the convienence of the operators.
T
Apr 20, 2012 14:04:03 #
I have judged hundreds of contests and it takes a lot of time to study each photo when it is right in front of you and you can see them all. Judging online is a totally different ball game. A lot depends on the monitor and how the photograph comes across. That is why I question even having contests at UHH. I enjoy viewing member's photographs, but why competition? What is the big deal about contests? What do you win?
Apr 20, 2012 14:07:40 #
Joyfullee wrote:
I think the contest should be that entries are rec... (show quote)
I like Joyfullee's idea on this. Seem very fair.
Apr 20, 2012 14:15:47 #
Hello Admin, there is value in keeping the scoring system simple. It will attract entries rather than disuade them. If you had the ability to allow multiple votes it should be 6 points because then you could award a first, second, and third place vote by allocating three points to the first place pick, two points to the second place pick, and one point to the third place pick. Either that or perhaps a simpler three boxes to choose from under each entry - first, second, and third in which to put your mark. Then the final tally would be a fair representation of what voters think allowing for points awarded on merit not just a winner. In a forum like this i think some recognition would be nice as opposed to just one winner. I havent yet checked to see but, this suggestion may be redundant if you are already publishing a list of points ammassed by the entries. Also, Here's a thought, what about a scoring system that allows two tiers, one of general votes and one of peer votes, that is, votes that are submitted by other contest entrants. If i were to submit in a sports category, I would definitely be more interested in what other sports photographers voted compared to other categories. Peer votes could be categorized as such, and not be allowed to vote for themselves. If a peer doesn't vote at all then they are voting for themselves just less aggressively. Perhaps two winners - peer judged and overall might be considered.........another suggestion would be to provide a page on the site where all winners could be displayed permanently....an UHH wall of fame!
Apr 20, 2012 14:38:50 #
Apr 20, 2012 14:48:52 #
johnbee418
Loc: Manchester Conn.
Admin: Stop foolin' with our heads. One person, one photo, one vote. Leave it alone.
Apr 20, 2012 14:50:18 #
johnbee418 wrote:
Admin: Stop foolin' with our heads. One person, one photo, one vote. Leave it alone.
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