Atlas may collapse instead of just shrugging
Dec 28, 2015 12:28:26 #
A great article the Progressives will either silently hate it or respond with venemous obfuscations and ad hominem attacks.
This describes the result of the socialist's utopia - if not halted.
http://straightlinelogic.com/2015/12/27/atlas-collapsed-by-robert-gore/
This describes the result of the socialist's utopia - if not halted.
http://straightlinelogic.com/2015/12/27/atlas-collapsed-by-robert-gore/
Dec 28, 2015 12:32:07 #
I'll bet on your second guess as to their response. If they bother to read it.
Dec 28, 2015 12:41:14 #
robertjerl wrote:
I'll bet on your second guess as to their response. If they bother to read it.
It would be difficult for them to actually read it. Reading it would be about as comfortable to them as it would be for a cat to have turpentine vigorously rubbed on their freshly sandpapered ass!
Dec 28, 2015 12:57:25 #
I would submit that there is plenty for everyone... however those in power seem to require regular, constant warfare. Regular people don't want to go to war... where they have a say in governing, they must be massively coerced or lied to to support any aggressive action against another people.... families similar to their own, just trying to raise healthy children.
Just imagine if the ridiculous amount of money we spend on destructive technology, not to mention rebuilding the destruction of lives and property that is caused by that tech, was applied to feeding those who are hungry, and housing the homeless.
The right has created a myth of America as a socialist state, with the lazy unwashed taking advantage of the rich and hardworking. That is simply not true. Look at your neighbors... are they all attached to the government nipple of welfare and foodstamps? My neighbors are like most Americans, working hard to provide a better life for their children...
before you reply, wait a minute.
ok, I'm ready now :)
http://gizmodiva.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Fire-Fighters-Suit-1.jpg
Just imagine if the ridiculous amount of money we spend on destructive technology, not to mention rebuilding the destruction of lives and property that is caused by that tech, was applied to feeding those who are hungry, and housing the homeless.
The right has created a myth of America as a socialist state, with the lazy unwashed taking advantage of the rich and hardworking. That is simply not true. Look at your neighbors... are they all attached to the government nipple of welfare and foodstamps? My neighbors are like most Americans, working hard to provide a better life for their children...
before you reply, wait a minute.
ok, I'm ready now :)
http://gizmodiva.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Fire-Fighters-Suit-1.jpg
Dec 28, 2015 13:04:57 #
Using comparisons that don't apply means nothing. Address the arguments in the article instead of pointing out fragmented antecdotal examples and you might have a little credobility.
Ps - i do agree somewhat with your comments as they may apply to the war machine although feeding and housing the poor should not have the funds to do so extracted by force.
Ps - i do agree somewhat with your comments as they may apply to the war machine although feeding and housing the poor should not have the funds to do so extracted by force.
Dec 28, 2015 13:18:14 #
gmcase wrote:
Using comparisons that don't apply means nothing. Address the arguments in the article instead of pointing out fragmented antecdotal examples and you might have a little credobility.
Ps - i do agree somewhat with your comments as they may apply to the war machine although feeding and housing the poor should not have the funds to do so extracted by force.
Ps - i do agree somewhat with your comments as they may apply to the war machine although feeding and housing the poor should not have the funds to do so extracted by force.
I'm sorry... I was just pointing out the largest thefts of mankind's efforts and the resultant slavery and loss of rights that warfare entails.... the sum of all social welfare pales in comparison.
Dec 28, 2015 13:22:48 #
Actually you are making the mistake of judging the world from your own point of view when it comes to warfare.
In many cultures of the past and present warfare and the warrior are seen as good things to be striven for. In some cultures being a warrior is seen as the only correct self image for a man. (yes, they usually also see women as unimportant for anything but child bearing and waiting on the man).
A huge %, including many academics who should know better make the same mistake when judging the past. They judge it based on their beliefs and present day norms. Not the beliefs and norms of the time in question.
You are aware that only about 46% of us pay income taxes. And a fair chunk of the 51% actually get money from the government. We are not really socialist, yet, but tending towards it and with many of its features already in place. We have a fair number of people who strive for and want to reach socialism. Just because all of the more extreme examples failed or are on the way to being bankrupt doesn't stop them. "Of course socialism didn't work with those stupid ****** running it. But with people like my own great self doing it, it will work."
In many cultures of the past and present warfare and the warrior are seen as good things to be striven for. In some cultures being a warrior is seen as the only correct self image for a man. (yes, they usually also see women as unimportant for anything but child bearing and waiting on the man).
A huge %, including many academics who should know better make the same mistake when judging the past. They judge it based on their beliefs and present day norms. Not the beliefs and norms of the time in question.
You are aware that only about 46% of us pay income taxes. And a fair chunk of the 51% actually get money from the government. We are not really socialist, yet, but tending towards it and with many of its features already in place. We have a fair number of people who strive for and want to reach socialism. Just because all of the more extreme examples failed or are on the way to being bankrupt doesn't stop them. "Of course socialism didn't work with those stupid ****** running it. But with people like my own great self doing it, it will work."
Dec 28, 2015 13:28:26 #
robertjerl wrote:
Have you read the "Way of the Peaceful Warrior" being a true warrior doesn't really have much to do with waging war.Actually you are making the mistake of judging the world from your own point of view when it comes to warfare.
In many cultures of the past and present warfare and the warrior are seen as good things to be striven for. In some cultures being a warrior is seen as the only correct self image for a man. (yes, they usually also see women as unimportant for anything but child bearing and waiting on the man).
In many cultures of the past and present warfare and the warrior are seen as good things to be striven for. In some cultures being a warrior is seen as the only correct self image for a man. (yes, they usually also see women as unimportant for anything but child bearing and waiting on the man).
True, I do not judge the world from the point of view of our leaders... I judge the world by the point of view of those without power, those without an intrinsic need to own or control everything that they see and here, those that are satisfied with enough... I judge form the perspective of creating the most good for the greatest number of people.
Dec 28, 2015 13:35:52 #
green wrote:
Have you read the "Way of the Peaceful Warrio... (show quote)
I edited my other post and added some stuff.
Dec 28, 2015 14:33:27 #
green wrote:
I'm sorry... I was just pointing out the largest thefts of mankind's efforts and the resultant slavery and loss of rights that warfare entails.... the sum of all social welfare pales in comparison.
No problem. You are civil about it.
I think slavery is just as much a result as war when governments confiscate wealth by force. To do so they need to eliminate rights, your rights.
As far as welfare, we have spent estimates from over a trillion upwards of 5 trillion on trying to raise people out of pverty. Since poverty is increasing and liberty is decreasing do you think we can be more effective by doing more of the same? Is that rational or sane? Increasing dependency is cruel in my opinion and that is what the so called war on poverty and hand outs have resulted in for the most part. I am not against charity, not all all but I do resist being forced to be "charitable" at the business end of a gun.
I also ask, has the Progressive model of ever increasing size, scope, cost and intrusion of government raised the standard of living or decreased it? Has it decreased dependency or increased it? Does it make sense to constantly do more of the same and expect different results?
Dec 28, 2015 15:27:45 #
gmcase wrote:
A great article the Progressives will either silently hate it or respond with venemous obfuscations and ad hominem attacks.
This describes the result of the socialist's utopia - if not halted.
http://straightlinelogic.com/2015/12/27/atlas-collapsed-by-robert-gore/
This describes the result of the socialist's utopia - if not halted.
http://straightlinelogic.com/2015/12/27/atlas-collapsed-by-robert-gore/
Nice article!
Dec 28, 2015 15:34:15 #
gmcase wrote:
No problem. You are civil about it. br br I think... (show quote)
I agree that we have been stupid about our war on poverty... welfare should be a job that rebuilds our infrastructure, maintains our national parks and does all kinds of useful work in return for the money... free handouts don't work, except in the very short term.
Dec 28, 2015 16:53:41 #
green wrote:
I agree that we have been stupid about our war on poverty... welfare should be a job that rebuilds our infrastructure, maintains our national parks and does all kinds of useful work in return for the money... free handouts don't work, except in the very short term.
We probably agree more than not on that issue but I have little to no confidence in government managing any of these objectives. Certainly government must be involved in certain infrastructure projects but they need to be restricted from turning these things into lifelong make do jobs and entitlements that otherwise would not exist in a free market. Contrary to what many Progressive's claim about being compassionate and caring is a fable as the actual results of their policies create more and more dependents. If anyone doubts that look around. The evidence is compeelling.
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