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Dec 23, 2015 12:08:41   #
lsaguy Loc: Udall, KS, USA
 
Hmmm. I've swapped SD cards from my wife's Nikon Coolpix to my Fuji S1500 and on to my Pentax K50 without problems. They all use the same DCIM folder on the card regardless of which camera created it when the card was formatted. May not be best practice but it seems to work just fine nonetheless.

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Dec 23, 2015 12:40:57   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Apaflo wrote:
If only it worked that way... but it doesn't.

You can format a memory card with a program (on your computer, but not on you camera) that will also map out bad sectors. Think about how that is done though... it requires writing to and then reading from each byte on the card at least once, but to do it right means twice. How long does it take to write and then read every single byte on the card? It certainly doesn't happen in the couple of seconds that it takes to format the card in a camera.

All a format operation does is re-write the basic data for a file system. It does not read or in any way verify the rest of the disk. It provides zero protection for bad sectors or other data corruption. And the data that is written is necessarily the same whether written by this camera or that one, or by a computer.
If only it worked that way... but it doesn't. br ... (show quote)


:thumbup:Exactly.

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Dec 23, 2015 15:24:30   #
Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
jarneyd wrote:
I have a newly acquired D7100, I am giving my son my D90, Can I take the sd card from the 90 and put in the 7100 without reformatting and losing the photos on it?
I keep all of my SD cards as a backup, it way less expensive than having prints made ever was.

Thanks In advance.


You can probably do that, but . . . It is inadvisable. 1.SD cards do get glitches occasionally (Much less now than in the past) so having 1,2 or more backup copies is wise to avoid potentially losing your images. 2. Every mechanical device has some "slop", card slots no less than others. Reformatting the card in the new camera ensures that everything matches better. 3. Formatting lays down a new filing structure, again giving more accuracy. 4. Formatting tests every writable bit and locks out any that are weak and failing--just as it does on hard drives. 5. SD cards are not any more permanent than any other medium.

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Dec 23, 2015 15:55:40   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Reinaldokool wrote:
You can probably do that, but . . . It is inadvisable. 1.SD cards do get glitches occasionally (Much less now than in the past) so having 1,2 or more backup copies is wise to avoid potentially losing your images. 2. Every mechanical device has some "slop", card slots no less than others. Reformatting the card in the new camera ensures that everything matches better. 3. Formatting lays down a new filing structure, again giving more accuracy. 4. Formatting tests every writable bit and locks out any that are weak and failing--just as it does on hard drives. 5. SD cards are not any more permanent than any other medium.
You can probably do that, but . . . It is inadvis... (show quote)

Your item 1 is correct, and so is item 5.

Item two is utterly silly. Mechanical slop cannot possibly be adjusted by software, formatting or otherwise.

Item 3 is untrue as to accuracy. It does provide exactly the same file structure, and with exactly the same accuracy as previously existed. There is no benefit as there is no change.

Item 4 is simply not true in any way. Formatting does not test any data location, much less lock out any part of it.

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Dec 23, 2015 17:16:04   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
Apaflo wrote:
..... Formatting does not test any data location, much less lock out any part of it.

This site as a little bit to say about that subject.
http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3554

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Dec 23, 2015 17:20:47   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
Apaflo wrote:
..... Formatting does not test any data location, much less lock out any part of it.

This site as a little bit to say about that subject.
http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3554
"Flash memory is really cheap. So cheap, in fact, that it’s too good to be true. In reality, all flash memory is riddled with defects — without exception. The illusion of a contiguous, reliable storage media is crafted through sophisticated error correction and bad block management functions."

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Dec 23, 2015 18:16:24   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
oldtigger wrote:
This site as a little bit to say about that subject.
http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3554
"Flash memory is really cheap. So cheap, in fact, that it’s too good to be true. In reality, all flash memory is riddled with defects — without exception. The illusion of a contiguous, reliable storage media is crafted through sophisticated error correction and bad block management functions."

I read the entire article and I did a word search on "format".

There is not even a "little bit" about that subject which pertains in even the slightest way to the discussion here.

To reiterate, formatting a memory card in a camera does not test any of the memory for errors. Nor can it lock out bad sectors.

If you want to prove it to yourself, it's easy. Take virtually any memory card of significant size and format it with a good formatting program while mounted in a card reader attached to a PC. Read the manual for the formatting program and find the option to verify memory, and format the card with that option enabled. Time it to see how long it takes.

Then format the card in a camera and time that too. There is no comparison.

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Dec 23, 2015 18:47:22   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
Apaflo wrote:
...To reiterate, formatting a memory card in a camera does not test any of the memory for errors. Nor can it lock out bad sectors.
...Then format the card in a camera and time that too. There is no comparison.

This site addresses low level formatting as opposed to simple formatting for canon users:
www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/2641590

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Dec 23, 2015 23:04:35   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Need to finish the link please (http://www... )

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Dec 23, 2015 23:30:27   #
mrd Loc: Eastern NC
 
I never format a card, never had a problem. "Now that I have made this statement the problems will follow!

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Dec 24, 2015 00:47:46   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
jarneyd wrote:
I have a newly acquired D7100, I am giving my son my D90, Can I take the sd card from the 90 and put in the 7100 without reformatting and losing the photos on it?
I keep all of my SD cards as a backup, it way less expensive than having prints made ever was.

Thanks In advance.


I confess, I did not read all 4 pages of replies. Sorry.

Ans to your question:
If the SD card has value as a backup archive, then don't do it.

Now a question for you and some things to think about.

Q: Are you considering prints as a method of backup for digital images? There are more compact, faster and cheaper methods.

Please Consider -
Flash memory cards are "digital film", meant to be reformatted and re-used.

There are better long term storage technologies much better than flash memory, (SD is one form of flash memory). Other technologies are both more reliable and lower cost (per megabit).

My advice, look into other long term backup technologies. Use the SD cards as intended. For short term storage.

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