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Dec 20, 2015 09:07:27   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
DPR has released their in depth review on their new 50mp cameras. Interesting reading for Canon shooters.

For Nikon shooters just look at page 9 of the review. It compares shutter shock at various shutter speeds and VR on and off settings with single and delayed release.

For Sony its not an issue at all. Canon does well, but Nikon falls short with all but the D750 which still lags somewhat.

Its a little bit of work but worth the effort if you have an inquiring mind.

The real shocker is how VR impacts shutter shock at various speeds. Its not at all what one would expect. I won't get into the details; you will have to do your own comparison and conclusion.

As a Nikon D810/D800E owner I'm disappointed.

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Dec 20, 2015 09:19:58   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Link? (I am too lazy to look it up at the moment, no caffeine in my blood stream... :hunf: :hunf: :hunf: )

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Dec 20, 2015 09:28:12   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
joer wrote:
DPR has released their in depth review on their new 50mp cameras. Interesting reading for Canon shooters.

For Nikon shooters just look at page 9 of the review. It compares shutter shock at various shutter speeds and VR on and off settings with single and delayed release.

For Sony its not an issue at all. Canon does well, but Nikon falls short with all but the D750 which still lags somewhat.

Its a little bit of work but worth the effort if you have an inquiring mind.

The real shocker is how VR impacts shutter shock at various speeds. Its not at all what one would expect. I won't get into the details; you will have to do your own comparison and conclusion.

As a Nikon D810/D800E owner I'm disappointed.
DPR has released their in depth review on their ne... (show quote)


i would not be. many things contribute to shutter shock. to mitigate this, use a very sturdy tripod and lower center column, all the way down. and use the "mirror up" feature on your device, prior to exposure. your results will be fine.

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Dec 20, 2015 09:30:42   #
Dave R. Loc: PNW
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Link? (I am too lazy to look it up at the moment, no caffeine in my blood stream... :hunf: :hunf: :hunf: )


In this particular case I had trouble finding the article. Generally a simple google search turns up the information.
:thumbup:

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Dec 20, 2015 09:32:41   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
joer wrote:
DPR has released their in depth review on their new 50mp cameras. ....

Link?
I can never find the related articles on that site.

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Dec 20, 2015 09:32:43   #
Phreedom Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Link? (I am too lazy to look it up at the moment, no caffeine in my blood stream... :hunf: :hunf: :hunf: )


http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5ds-sr/9

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Dec 20, 2015 09:46:23   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
joer wrote:
.../...As a Nikon D810/D800E owner I'm disappointed.

Why?
dpr conclusion wrote:
We say that the 5DS R only slightly surpasses the D810 in Silent Shooting mode because in our test, two things are hurting the D810 somewhat unfairly: (1) default ACR conversion adds more contrast to the Canon compared to the Nikon, and (2) the D810 wasn't re-focused after the addition of the Vari-ND filter used to achieve slower shutter speeds (below 1/125s). Hence, D810 shots below 1/125 are ever-so-slightly sub-optimally focused. You can see all this here: note how even in electronic shutter modes, the D810 look softer at 1/100s and below compared to itself at 1/160 and above (the ND filter was used for 1/125 and slower). This compounded with the lower contrast makes the D810 look slightly worse than it is in relation to the Canon even when there is no image-degrading vibration, so we're trying not to over-interpret the data when we say 'slightly surpasses'.
b We say that the 5DS R only slightly surpasses t... (show quote)

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Dec 20, 2015 09:56:34   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
I saw that. Thanks Ron.

Perhaps my expectations are too high since Nikon redesigned the shutter mechanism and uses it as a selling point. I don't see that much difference between it and the 800E. Perhaps I disappoint easily.

I'm certainly not going to jump ship because of this.

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Dec 20, 2015 10:28:07   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
Getting rid of that annoying 'klunk' sound of the shutter/mirror made the D810 worth every cent for me.

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Dec 20, 2015 10:55:35   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
oldtigger wrote:
Getting rid of that annoying 'klunk' sound of the shutter/mirror made the D810 worth every cent for me.


It is so much better than the D800E but still not quiet enough for me. I won't be satisfied until they eliminate the mechanical shutter.

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Dec 20, 2015 11:15:26   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
joer wrote:
It is so much better than the D800E but still not quiet enough for me. I won't be satisfied until they eliminate the mechanical shutter.


funny, no one ever had trouble with this on 35mm film cameras. and as for mechanical shutter noise, try a bronica s2 or s2a sometime. now, that's shutter noise!!!

of course, you can always use a leica m camera - very quiet!

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Dec 21, 2015 07:25:33   #
wotsmith Loc: Nashville TN
 
joer wrote:
DPR has released their in depth review on their new 50mp cameras. Interesting reading for Canon shooters.

For Nikon shooters just look at page 9 of the review. It compares shutter shock at various shutter speeds and VR on and off settings with single and delayed release.

For Sony its not an issue at all. Canon does well, but Nikon falls short with all but the D750 which still lags somewhat.

Its a little bit of work but worth the effort if you have an inquiring mind.

The real shocker is how VR impacts shutter shock at various speeds. Its not at all what one would expect. I won't get into the details; you will have to do your own comparison and conclusion.

As a Nikon D810/D800E owner I'm disappointed.
DPR has released their in depth review on their ne... (show quote)


I have shot a few thousand frames with the 5DSR, most with out a tripod. I can see no difference with the different mirror delays and modes. you do have to hold it steady and squeeze. I had no problem with image stabilization either. Great camera.

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Dec 21, 2015 08:31:08   #
wingclui44 Loc: CT USA
 
joer wrote:
DPR has released their in depth review on their new 50mp cameras. Interesting reading for Canon shooters.

For Nikon shooters just look at page 9 of the review. It compares shutter shock at various shutter speeds and VR on and off settings with single and delayed release.

For Sony its not an issue at all. Canon does well, but Nikon falls short with all but the D750 which still lags somewhat.

Its a little bit of work but worth the effort if you have an inquiring mind.

The real shocker is how VR impacts shutter shock at various speeds. Its not at all what one would expect. I won't get into the details; you will have to do your own comparison and conclusion.

As a Nikon D810/D800E owner I'm disappointed.
DPR has released their in depth review on their ne... (show quote)


Look! In the old day, the max. shutter speed was limited to 1/1000sec. to 1/2000sec. and no body had ever complained about so called "Shutter Shock", and still took great images. Now you have a shutter up to 1/8000sec or may be more in the future, it will eventually freeze any movement! So why do you worry about that?
This is only a purpose of marketing!
People always go the extreme to pick on some thing that is not really necessary, that makes others getting confuse! I don't really care what they say as soon as my camera gives my need. No thing is perfect!

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Dec 21, 2015 08:43:17   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
joer wrote:
It is so much better than the D800E but still not quiet enough for me. I won't be satisfied until they eliminate the mechanical shutter.


Leica film camers were very quiet. My Sony RX100 II IS AS quiet. My Kowa 6 was the worst.

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Dec 21, 2015 08:53:01   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
wj cody wrote:
funny, no one ever had trouble with this on 35mm film cameras. and as for mechanical shutter noise, try a bronica s2 or s2a sometime. now, that's shutter noise!!!

of course, you can always use a leica m camera - very quiet!


I agree with the Bronica comment. I own a C and an SQ-AM.

Hasselblad 500c is another "no doubt about it" shutter release noise. Doesn't bother me a bit.
--Bob

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