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Clotting: Controlling the System..an evolutionary process? Not a chance.
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Dec 4, 2015 09:18:43   #
slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again
 
Rac wrote:
It's very well explained in the link I provided above. You on the other hand object to it so now you are obligated to give evidence of your theory against what is posted.
I don't grasp everything "explained" in the link above.........There is NO chance that you might ....................Not a chance..........!!!

Rac wrote:
You're incorrect no god of the gaps theory was implied
Are you kidding.....!!!.....Everything in ID is based on "The god of the gaps" viewpoint.....!!!

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Dec 4, 2015 13:02:53   #
James Shaw
 
Racmanaz wrote:
"Editor's note: Physicians have a special place among the thinkers who have elaborated the argument for intelligent design. Perhaps that's because, more than evolutionary biologists, they are familiar with the challenges of maintaining a functioning complex system, the human body."

"in summary, the clotting factors in the blood remain inactive until blood vessel injury takes place to turn on the coagulation cascade. Meanwhile, the liver and the endothelium combine to produce anti-clotting factors that together work to turn off hemostasis and allow it to stay off when it's not needed. It is this delicate balance of clotting and anti-clotting factors that allows the body to normally be able to stop bleeding when injured, while at the same time allowing blood to flow freely to the tissues. Moreover, the total absence of fibrinogen, or prothrombin, or Tissue Factor, or Factor V, or Factor VII, or Factor VIII, or Factor IX, or Factor X, or Factor XI, or Factor XIII, or antithrombin, or protein C or TFPI would have made it impossible for our earliest ancestors to live long enough to reproduce."

"Michael Behe has described a system where the absence of any one part renders it non-functional as being irreducibly complex. It certainly looks like hemostasis is irreducibly complex, because if any one of the many clotting or anti-clotting factors were absent life would be impossible."

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/11/clotting_contro101231.html
b "Editor's note: Physicians have a special ... (show quote)
Clown, your ignorance of evolution is most obvious, as is your ignorance of science in general.

"Irreducibly complex" arguments are no longer believable or viable. Behe lost years ago, and you continue to wade in the cesspool of science-ignorance.

"It looks like" you, Clown, lose again, and again, and again.

Remember folks "Evolution News" is an anti-Science propaganda medium and one of Clown's Bibles.

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Dec 4, 2015 13:11:29   #
James Shaw
 
[quote=Racmanaz]
rmalarz wrote:
Since you were the initiator of the concept, it should fall up on you to provide proof of your premise. At which time we can study that proof and provide premises that are .




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The onus of proof is on you Clown, not others.
Why don't you post something real for a change, Clown? Your ignorance is overwhelming.

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Dec 4, 2015 15:27:05   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
rmalarz wrote:
And this is why the higher, or more complex, life systems didn't begin until way after the simplest life forms appeared on earth. It took time, and lots of it, for those simplest systems to develop into more complex organisms.
--Bob
Racmanaz wrote:
One needs to show evidence that this could happen by the Darwinian process of evolution and not just conjectures. I'm sorry but this cannot happen by small increments of evolutionary process ,this has to happen all at once because it is a irreducible complexity system.
Clown, your ignorance of evolution and science, in general, is laughable.

You have told us, previously, that you don't know enough science, and then you bolster that earlier statement, here, by making claims, above, about evolution, which are are not true.

We get it, Clown: you don't know enough about science.

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Dec 4, 2015 15:31:54   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Racmanaz wrote:
"Editor's note: Physicians have a special place among the thinkers who have elaborated the argument for intelligent design. Perhaps that's because, more than evolutionary biologists, they are familiar with the challenges of maintaining a functioning complex system, the human body."

"in summary, the clotting factors in the blood remain inactive until blood vessel injury takes place to turn on the coagulation cascade. Meanwhile, the liver and the endothelium combine to produce anti-clotting factors that together work to turn off hemostasis and allow it to stay off when it's not needed. It is this delicate balance of clotting and anti-clotting factors that allows the body to normally be able to stop bleeding when injured, while at the same time allowing blood to flow freely to the tissues. Moreover, the total absence of fibrinogen, or prothrombin, or Tissue Factor, or Factor V, or Factor VII, or Factor VIII, or Factor IX, or Factor X, or Factor XI, or Factor XIII, or antithrombin, or protein C or TFPI would have made it impossible for our earliest ancestors to live long enough to reproduce."

"Michael Behe has described a system where the absence of any one part renders it non-functional as being irreducibly complex. It certainly looks like hemostasis is irreducibly complex, because if any one of the many clotting or anti-clotting factors were absent life would be impossible."

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/11/clotting_contro101231.html
b "Editor's note: Physicians have a special ... (show quote)


The mistake that you are making is that you state that the balance between flow and clotting is allways in stasis and never varies. This simply is not correct. It does not take into account thrombo-embolic events. M.I. or C.V.A. or aneurismal events. Clotting mechanisms are subject to many errors, clotting errors exist. I have been in the OR many times when coagulopathy has lead to death. Sometimes the system fails. Those people then cannot pass their clotting difficulties to their offspring. Thats how evolution works

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Dec 4, 2015 15:45:42   #
James Shaw
 
Racmanaz wrote:
"Editor's note: Physicians have a special place among the thinkers who have elaborated the argument for intelligent design. Perhaps that's because, more than evolutionary biologists, they are familiar with the challenges of maintaining a functioning complex system, the human body."

"in summary, the clotting factors in the blood remain inactive until blood vessel injury takes place to turn on the coagulation cascade. Meanwhile, the liver and the endothelium combine to produce anti-clotting factors that together work to turn off hemostasis and allow it to stay off when it's not needed. It is this delicate balance of clotting and anti-clotting factors that allows the body to normally be able to stop bleeding when injured, while at the same time allowing blood to flow freely to the tissues. Moreover, the total absence of fibrinogen, or prothrombin, or Tissue Factor, or Factor V, or Factor VII, or Factor VIII, or Factor IX, or Factor X, or Factor XI, or Factor XIII, or antithrombin, or protein C or TFPI would have made it impossible for our earliest ancestors to live long enough to reproduce."

"Michael Behe has described a system where the absence of any one part renders it non-functional as being irreducibly complex. It certainly looks like hemostasis is irreducibly complex, because if any one of the many clotting or anti-clotting factors were absent life would be impossible."

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/11/clotting_contro101231.html
b "Editor's note: Physicians have a special ... (show quote)

Turns our Clown, that you and Evolution News are the big losers here.

Simply put, Clown, you have no clue of what you are talking about nor do you have an inkling of an understanding of what you post.

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