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Jul 29, 2012 13:08:25   #
cowpoke11 Loc: Oregon and Montana
 
Hello forum,

There's a lot of information in this thread. Something I learned this weekend from reading "PictureCorrect Photograph Tips" that "RAW" is supposed to be writen as "raw" and "jpeg" as "JPEG." I don't know why it's written or typed that way? Does anyone know the reason for this standard?

What program is used to open raw files? PS Elements version 8, won't open Canon's .CR2 raw file. I have to use the Canon's software to open them. That software is limited post processing tools.

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Jul 29, 2012 14:56:01   #
cowpoke11 Loc: Oregon and Montana
 
Correction of my last post, "PictureCorrect," it should be "Digital Photograph School."

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Jul 29, 2012 15:13:17   #
glojo Loc: South Devon, England
 
cowpoke11 wrote:
Hello forum,

There's a lot of information in this thread. Something I learned this weekend from reading "PictureCorrect Photograph Tips" that "RAW" is supposed to be writen as "raw" and "jpeg" as "JPEG." I don't know why it's written or typed that way? Does anyone know the reason for this standard?

Okay I'll bite ..raw is a word JPEG is an acronym.. Words are usually wrote in small case, acronyms in capitals. If your files are not opening in Elements then have you updated the program to make sure it accepts the latest from Canon?

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Jul 29, 2012 15:45:36   #
cowpoke11 Loc: Oregon and Montana
 
Hello,

My last post wasn't a test. :-) if so, you got 100%. :thumbup: I'll be the first one to admit; sometimes my elevator doesn't go to the top floor. I'am a ratchet jaw too. So, thanks for putting up with my B.S.

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Jul 29, 2012 16:25:37   #
glojo Loc: South Devon, England
 
cowpoke11 wrote:
I'am a ratchet jaw too. .


:D Is that contagious?

Regards,
John
from sunny Torquay

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Jul 29, 2012 16:36:47   #
cowpoke11 Loc: Oregon and Montana
 
Hello,

My side of the family has it their genes, I guess? Thanks for your humor. ;-)

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Jul 29, 2012 16:48:49   #
glojo Loc: South Devon, England
 
cowpoke11 wrote:
Hello,

My side of the family has it their genes, I guess? Thanks for your humor. ;-)


Not a problem and a glass of WD40 a night might make the ratchet run smoother :) It will definitely let the zip on your 'genes' work smoother :)

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Jul 29, 2012 17:52:51   #
cowpoke11 Loc: Oregon and Montana
 
:thumbup: Your right, the zipper and my jaw would well oiled.;-)

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Sep 10, 2012 14:01:49   #
lightchime Loc: Somewhere Over The Rainbow
 
senad55verizon.net wrote:
alann wrote:
Your are 100% correct. But, we are talking Straight Out Of Camera image quality not the final result. :)


There is no such standard thing such as a "straight out of the camera" image. There is only such a thing as a straight out of your camera and straight into your computer and straight onto your screen. If you don't take a hand in the process, the specific camera design and specific computer software determines exactly what your image looks like. Just because you didn't do any settings doesn't mean that they aren't being used as defaults.

Even for you to see an image on the screen of your camera, processing defaults are employed. Which ones, in the case of your camera, are a function of the manufacturer. They usually use jpg-like defaults for all files, raw included. Some raw files may contain a thumbnail for display purposes, and it's a jpg.

Have you ever heard that some cameras take better pictures than others? Different defaults, among other possible reasons.

Default values are employed to display an image on your computer as well. If it's a jpg file, the jpg default values are used for settings. Did you set a white balance? If not, the software assumes a white balance (not necessarily the right one) which determines how your image appears on the screen.

jpg processing is designed specifically to make images look acceptable, with little or no intervention on your part. If that's what you like, use it.

When you look at a "straight out of the camera" image from a raw file it often looks poor, or even worse than poor, because you have not yet intervened and corrected the settings. Just because it may look worse than an image from a comparable JPEG shot doesn't mean, even for a moment, that the JPEG is somehow better. It's just easier.

And also very different, like walking and riding a bicycle are different. The can both get you to exactly the same place, but comparisons between the two are not enlightened by comparing your destinations.
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I agree100%.

The whole argument of RAW vs JPEG is somewhat dubious. Whatever the source, whether you are looking at a JPEG from the camera or a JPEG that has been manufactured in post processing they are both JPEGs. The algorithms have varied somewhat. If you are looking at it on the web, it is going to be a JPEG.
Why does a RAW look so crappy - lack of saturation and lack of contrast. But it has information that is like a flower - as you nurture it, it spreads out - it grows like a child - one you help to bring to maturity.

I have been taught and read repeatedly - RAW is not machine readable. Therefore, when you are looking at RAW image, you are really looking at a JPEG representation. Complicated, yes.

So, what you are looking at in this blog is really two JPEG's that were processed differently.

People often talk about printing JPEGs. Well, you can do that. When it comes to printing, I never do that. If I want to print, I don't want to throw away all that information that I have worked so hard to develop. It seems a waste to work so hard and save that data and have it compressed by some complicated mathematical algorithm. Other than increasing speed, I see no reason for me to print at home with anything other than TIFF. Likewise, for me the only reason to set my camera on JPEG is to save some time in processing or printing.

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Sep 10, 2012 14:28:13   #
cowpoke11 Loc: Oregon and Montana
 
It might be a film SLR camera, and then the negative could be your raw file? That could be the raw file, the negative, that is. :lol:

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