Windows 10? What a crock! (Page 2): Never carried a programmer title but did some Fortran and COBOL programming. Had a boss tell me to not program, "we cannot afford you as a...

Jim_In_Plymouth Loc: Plymouth MN

DaveO wrote:

Nothing like a little game of "pick-up!" Funny though, there is a severe shortage of Cobol programmers. Those billions of lines of code will never be replaced! People who started in the 60's and 70's are retiring...

Never carried a programmer title but did some Fortran and COBOL programming. Had a boss tell me to not program, "we cannot afford you as a programmer. Not that we pay you that much but you are that bad."

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

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burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Jim_In_Plymouth wrote:

And to miss the joys of resequencing the dropped source code deck.

Ha! NO ONE misses punch cards. I remember taking a Statistics and Computers 101 course at Davidson College in 1973. We had to learn Fortran 77. It ran on an NCR Century 100 computer, which filled up a large room in the basement of the classroom building. That computer had *64K* of RAM.

There was no "packaged" software in sight. We had to write our own statistical analysis routines. All our programs had to be typed on punch cards. If you ran one and it had a bug in it, you got an error message printed out on the teletype (there were no CRTs there in those days). Then you had to rifle through the stack, find the culprit routine, and punch new cards from that point forward.

When I bought my first computer, an Apple IIe, I thought I'd seen heaven.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

I started with an IBM OS 360 model 30 in 1969 (64K),and OS 360 models 40,50 and twin 65's in 1972. Our 65's were one of the largest systems in the world at 1 3/4 megabytes of ram. Yes, megabytes. :roll:

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

DaveO wrote:

I started with an IBM OS 360 model 30 in 1969 (64K),and OS 360 models 40,50 and twin 65's in 1972. Our 65's were one of the largest systems in the world at 1 3/4 megabytes of ram. Yes, megabytes. :roll:

You could get a lot done in a HURRY without the graphical user interfaces. When all you move is text and numbers in binary format, things fly. Imagine running those old programs on a modern desktop! Oh, wait, a lot of them still are, in air traffic control, banking, etc.... Makes me comfortable, how about the rest of you? :roll:

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Many of the largest government mainframes are using Cobol, but have integrated numerous other subsystems for users.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

DaveO wrote:

Many of the largest government mainframes are using Cobol, but have integrated numerous other subsystems for users. Cobol is very powerful and to change languages is not a valid option.

lonedog Loc: DC area

Mike D. wrote:

Don't get me started on Win 8 or it's evil twin. As long as I know people who can keep Windows 7 alive, that's where I will remain.

As for Apple, their OS is also so bloated that it doesn't function as well as it used to, kind of nullifying most of the smugness that used to be associated with having one and you STILL get to pay more for everything Apple. I love my iPhone but have no desire to own their computers. Just sayin'...

I HATE my iPhone and can't wait until the contract is over. Same with ITunes. Piece of junk.

lonedog Loc: DC area

Jim_In_Plymouth wrote:

And to miss the joys of resequencing the dropped source code deck.

Wow, you go back further than me. I did COBOL before we all had a "terminal" on our desk and well before we had PC's, but was not there for cards.

Earworms Loc: Sacramento, California

Mike D. wrote:

Don't get me started on Win 8 or it's evil twin. As long as I know people who can keep Windows 7 alive, that's where I will remain.

As for Apple, their OS is also so bloated that it doesn't function as well as it used to, kind of nullifying most of the smugness that used to be associated with having one and you STILL get to pay more for everything Apple. I love my iPhone but have no desire to own their computers. Just sayin'...

OSX functions as good as it ever has, not perfect but definitely swifter than Windows.

Earworms Loc: Sacramento, California

lonedog wrote:

I HATE my iPhone and can't wait until the contract is over. Same with ITunes. Piece of junk.

Try a Windows phone if you can.

MikeMck Loc: Southern Maryland on the Bay

donrent wrote:

I've had 10 for over a month (maybe two) with NO problems at all.

Me too!

bersharbp Loc: Texas

DaveO wrote:

Nothing like a little game of "pick-up!" Funny though, there is a severe shortage of Cobol programmers. Those billions of lines of code will never be replaced! People who started in the 60's and 70's are retiring...

Cobol, Fortran, Assembler, Basic.... all with fond memories. Retired, now over 15 years

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Keep up the good work! :)

WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio

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I've used both Macs and Windows (or MS-DOS) since the mid-1980s. I use the Mac because I love it the tool seldom gets in the way of the task. I hold my nose and use the PC when I have to, usually because some arcane software only runs on Windows.

Actually, I run Windows in Parallels Desktop on my Mac. Macs ARE Intel PCs. You can boot each OS separately, from different partitions (Using Apple's BootCamp software), or you can run Parallels or another virtualization app and run Windows simultaneously with Mac OS. You can even configure the machine to work BOTH ways, at your choice.

Windows updates are a real necessity, because Windows machines are so incredibly vulnerable to viruses, malware, adware, spyware, crapware, and just plain unwanted crud installed by the PC vendors on retail PCs. I run plenty of "anti-problem-ware" software on Windows.

Win7 support will end at some point, just as XP support has ended. That means the virus/malware writers will attack quickly, before people update.

By contrast, I've NEVER found a virus or malware on the Mac with OS X. They aren't immune no computer is but they are VERYwell protected.

On the Mac, actual "viruses" aren't often seen in the wild. Unlike, AND like Windows, you have to let the bad guys in the front door.

I HAVE seen lots of FAKE warnings about viruses and malware from people like MacKeeper (a questionable utility software suite for Mac OS X that is heavily promoted and has been the subject of a class-action lawsuit for false advertising) and from Mac Defender (also known as Mac Protector, Mac Security, Mac Guard, Mac Shield, and FakeMacDef).

Mac Defender is an internet rogue security program that can be installed by unwitting users. It is real malware masquerading as a security alert! Don't fall for it. Just Force Quit your browser and don't revisit that corrupted site!

If you check with experts in the Mac community, they'll tell you that other than trojan horses such as these, actual problems are quite rare.

So step away from the dark side!

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Love reading your quotes, you are so full of wisdom and knowledge. I love my Mac and for years have never had a problem. If I do I head to the Apple Store and they solve it.
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