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Oct 10, 2015 05:35:55   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Working on this page at the moment:

File format - A can of worm

I wrote:
Why a can of worm?  First off not all cameras offer a choice and you maybe stuck with JPG ; then it becomes a matter of camera use and finally it is a matter of opinion more than anything else.
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While I am a firm advocate of the raw format I must recognize that it has its uses in some type of photography that require relatively long bursts of shooting captures.  (If it last more than a few secondes, buy a video camera!!!)
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Then there are opinons that are, well, a bit too extreme and an excuse to produce GES.  'If it is on the web it must be true' prevails. Anybody and his sick brother can promote any point of view without verification. Folks who read this type of information and take it to heart are responsible for the GES I always attack.  These folks feel personally threatened with some reason when their beliefs are challenged after all who wants to be made a fool of?  And so it becomes a matter of faith. We have not landed on the moon after all and 'Elvis lives!'.  One of the annoying aspect of the human beast.
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Personnally I consider that any photographer who wants to produce quality work and enter the 'fine art' section of producing photographs must use the best cameras can offer when selecting a file format.  That format is 'raw'.
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raw does not stand for anything other than raw, like raw meat, unprocessed, untouched, uncut and of course unspoiled.
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JPG 'users' accuse raw shooter to use raw to correct their mistakes.  This accusation does not stand scrutiny if you ever take that statement to heart.  GES producers do not use raw to start with so where does this leave us?  Nevermind, do not answer that.
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So, what is raw in layman's term?  raw is the straight recording of what the sensor saw when a capture is made.  This recording is not an image but a latent one a bit like a 'digital negative'.  What the sensor records is basic:  Focus (DOF), luminosity and whatever light artifacts due to the sensor weaknesses (including dust bunnies).   A raw file records all the camera settings like focus point, color balance used, flash and whatever else the camera registers.
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raw files have the reputation to be dull looking, not anymore.  The change is simply due to the integration of a JPG file within the file.  Most image readers access the JPG and ignore the 'real thing' making the display more attractive but highly innacurate.
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raw is usually uncompressed.  When compressed raw is lossless.
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Now that I described a raw file I have to describe a JPG, just to be fair (ah!)
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Then there is sraw for 'small raw'.  That thing was rightly described as 'the evil cross between a raw file and a JPG'.  It retains most of a raw file structure but uses the averaging of four pixels to create one.  Not only the image is reduced in size (both as files space and print size) but it also messes with both color accuracy and luminosity (averaging thingy you know).
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A JPG is a camera processed capture that reduces the dynamic range and color depth of a capture.  JPG file use a cumulative lossy compression meaning that each time you OPEN
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SAVE a JPG you add to the loss.  One of the most noticeable flaw of a JPG capture is the banding created when a relativey large area is made of gradual changes in color like a blue sky.  JPG compression is controlable from extreme to almost none.  JPG excels with detailed captures but then the compression is not as effective.
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The method of compression w/o entering too many details is simple, adjancent pixels are sampled and if similer thay are averaged and bundled together creating 'clumps'.  The sampling that takes place determines the compression quality and ultimately the capture quality.  The wider the sampling the smaller the file size and the greater the artifacts distortion due to compression.
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I will add a side by side comparison soon as well as samples of JPG banding and artifacts.
Why a can of worm?  First off not all cameras offe... (show quote)


This is a draft so will follow Darwin's rules of evolution. :XD:

Your opinion on this and corrections given may appear in the final product so... Let loose, no need to be politically correct here. :twisted:

Note that if you want to troll me go right ahead I enjoy stupidity especially when right out in the open. :mrgreen:

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Oct 10, 2015 06:22:04   #
Singing Swan
 
Looks like you are off to a good start. I'll be waiting to visit the finished site. No doubt I'll glean a fact or two I didn't already know. I will offer to be a proofreader for you but not a fact corrector :)

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Oct 10, 2015 12:32:08   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Singing Swan wrote:
.../... not a fact corrector :)

Why not? If I make a mistake by all mean do so.

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Oct 10, 2015 14:02:49   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Working on this page at the moment:

File format - A can of worm



This is a draft so will follow Darwin's rules of evolution. :XD:

Your opinion on this and corrections given may appear in the final product so... Let loose, no need to be politically correct here. :twisted:

Note that if you want to troll me go right ahead I enjoy stupidity especially when right out in the open. :mrgreen:


On the subject of RAW v JPG. Why do some people who shoot JPG, call themselves "purists"? In the days of film, a purist would do his own processing. He wouldn't dream of letting a computer or a chemist do it for him.

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Oct 10, 2015 14:18:06   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Wellhiem wrote:
On the subject of RAW v JPG. Why do some people who shoot JPG, call themselves "purists"? In the days of film, a purist would do his own processing. He wouldn't dream of letting a computer or a chemist do it for him.

I have no answer for you, sorry.

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Oct 10, 2015 14:21:57   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Singing Swan wrote:
.../... not a fact corrector :)

I have been wondering what you meant by this until I spotted raw records a camera settings'. This is possibly your point of contention. When I type something I am literal. Records means keep track, like a scribe in a trial. If I had said 'uses' it would have meant raw process the camera data which of course it does not.

If I am mistaken in my interpretation, please let me know, I am curious and willing to change the wording.

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Oct 10, 2015 20:45:48   #
Singing Swan
 
Rongnongno wrote:
I have been wondering what you meant by this until I spotted raw records a camera settings'. This is possibly your point of contention. When I type something I am literal. Records means keep track, like a scribe in a trial. If I had said 'uses' it would have meant raw process the camera data which of course it does not.

If I am mistaken in my interpretation, please let me know, I am curious and willing to change the wording.
I can only be a proofreader because I know the English language well; however, when it comes to all the other stuff, I wouldn't know a mistake if it jumped up and bit me on my-you-know-what or until I see the bad photo I made because I wasn't doing something right. I'll leave the facts up to you :) :)

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Oct 10, 2015 21:04:56   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Singing Swan wrote:
I can only be a proofreader because I know the English language well; however, when it comes to all the other stuff, I wouldn't know a mistake if it jumped up and bit me on my-you-know-what or until I see the bad photo I made because I wasn't doing something right. I'll leave the facts up to you :) :)

I might just take you up on the offer but.... Knowing my reputation, are you sure you want to get involved?

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Oct 11, 2015 07:28:31   #
Singing Swan
 
Rongnongno wrote:
I might just take you up on the offer but.... Knowing my reputation, are you sure you want to get involved?
My one blond brain cell doesn't recognize that word ... reputation. Or?? Is that what happened to me? Is it a 'reputation' when people call you a ditzie blond?? Hmmm, I don't think you have a monopoly in that respect and I ain't skeered!!

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Jul 9, 2018 13:33:59   #
IBM
 
Wellhiem wrote:
On the subject of RAW v JPG. Why do some people who shoot JPG, call themselves "purists"? In the days of film, a purist would do his own processing. He wouldn't dream of letting a computer or a chemist do it for him.



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